FAI Senior Cup 2017

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Re: FAI Senior Cup 2017

Postby colymull » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:28 pm

The big thing for me to come out of yesterday is how Cork have worked out all season how to play against us and grind out results yet we still can’t find a way to break them down and beat them. Ok, we went 1-0 up and should’ve held out, but over the 120 mins how many clear cut chances did we really have.
For all the possession we had in the 2nd half and nice football and intricate passing we really didn’t make McNulty make any hard saves.
It’s hard to be critical of the team giving the past few seasons but that defeat yesterday feels ten times worse than last years cup final, really gut wrenching.


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Re: FAI Senior Cup 2017

Postby condor » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:43 pm

Man for man I believe we have better footballers than Cork, but over the last 7 or 8 matches Vs Cork
they have looked stronger, faster and fitter than us. They win most second balls and knockdowns and
have looked hungrier and that is a great starting point for them. We almost always have to carry Duffy
and to a lesser extent McEleny because neither of them can tackle and neither can/will track back. ( both
played well when in possession yesterday) We are always outnumbered and outworked in midfield which
leaves McMillan isolated up front. As for Connolly! God bless him! he's not the first cousin of a footballer
and never will be, Kenny could have picked any one of a hundred young fellas from the crowd yesterday
who would have done a better impression of a player than him, all joking aside, Connolly is absymal.

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Re: FAI Senior Cup 2017

Postby Townfan7 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:20 pm

Like everyone on here, so disappointed, we deserved to be 1 up but sat back & let Cork get at us & for once the defending so much a cornerstone of the team let them in to score. It has to be said, the big players didn't show, MC Eleney in particular. This was his stage to shine & it didn't happen, he played so deep, never saw this from him before. I'm sure Shields is gutted at not getting on, he was the main man in the semi final in Tallaght, after scoring we should have had him on to close it down. O'Donnell was excellent in fairness.

Penalties are of course a lottery but I said as Duffy prepared his spot kick, he's not taking a good run at it & he's going to miss...

The season was decent enough when you consider the start we had, injuries, new players etc but hopefully the team can regroup & go again next term. Finding a way to beat Cork will be key. We move on.

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Re: FAI Senior Cup 2017

Postby colymull » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:22 pm

Anybody else think that, if McMillan leaves, SK might play Connolly up front with Shepard out on the right? Because one thing is for sure, Connolly is no winger. His first touch yesterday was to knock the ball 20 yards down the line and race the full back to the ball, a race he lost by the way! This is stuff youd see in an under 8s match.
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Re: FAI Senior Cup 2017

Postby McGregor » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:55 pm

We were the better team on the day, but goals win matches and on that score we can have no complaints. we just never opened them up. Simple fact was that every Cork substitution improved them but all of our changes weakened us. Connolly made no impact what so ever. Garts wouldn't have allowed Campion get in behind and Mounteney over Shields iI don't even know were to start, there must have been a doubt over his fitness. I think ultimately we paid a price for not replacing Kilduff and have flogged Davy Mc over the past few months. However the Manager, staff and team deserve huge credit for a another great season

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Re: FAI Senior Cup 2017

Postby dundalkfc1903 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:52 am

fastnbulbous wrote:Any word on the fireman hit in the face by the flare thrown from the Dundalk end?

Any word on whether Rovers have finished celebrating winning 1-1 in the cup semi in Oriel?

Corks celebrations on Sunday were subdued in comparison.

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Re: FAI Senior Cup 2017

Postby leesider » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:36 pm

I am really surprised we won because considering the form of the two teams going in ye were playing much better than us. I couldn't see us getting back into it after Vemmelund scored as we have really struggled for goals since Maguire left. Campion was the last person I expcted to do it as he has missed a rake of chances anytime he has played this season. Even when Maguire left he wasn't picked to start that often despite being the only recognised striker in the squad. In one game Caulfield played Keohane up front and left him on the bench. But that is the beauty of the cup I supppose, sometimes it makes heroes out of the most unlikely sources.
We will enjoy this because we haven't won much in our brief history. Before this I have only experienced the cup wins in 1998, 2007 and last year (even though I wasn't at the game in 2007) and the league win in 2005. It's alright for ye, ye have won loads, three leagues on the bounce we can only dream about. Even before the league win in 2014 ye had won nine leagues before that.
Even Caulfield himself said we have always found it difficult to win trophies and and are "specialists in finishing second". I don't expect us to win much for the forseeable future unless Caulfield gets lucky and makes a few signings that turn out to be brilliant. Ye have better footballers than us but our grit and determination makes up the deficit.

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Re: FAI Senior Cup 2017

Postby El Paso » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:39 pm

Very honest appraisal.

If Caulfield got one thing right it was knowing that superior workrate and intensity goes a long way in the League of Ireland. Add a potent goalscorer to the mix and bingo.
There's only one word for that - magic darts...

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Re: FAI Senior Cup 2017

Postby carrickfan » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:03 pm

Leesider hits the nail on the head, grit and determination is the difference. We saw it when Rovers beat Cork in the EA semi final, two physical teams battling - we are not physical (outside SOd/Shields) and can't influence a game the way they can. Duffy and Connolly have to step up next season...

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Re: FAI Senior Cup 2017

Postby mike » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:05 pm

That’s a good point on Shields omission as a sub. Granted he had used Connolly and Hoare but look at the effect Bolger had when he came on late. Shields would have been the prefect sub to come on not long after we scored. Benson also was out of steam at that stage and he wasn’t helping 0’Donnell.

To go 1 up in extra time an experienced team like us should have managed that game out.

I think this was another tactical mistake made. If they had scored first you would have been guaranteed they would have shut up shop. This was a bad error and it’s stuff like this that SK needs to learn from. There is a time to play attractive football and a time to run down the clock and collect your prize.

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Re: FAI Senior Cup 2017

Postby oldfogey » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:37 am

mike wrote:That’s a good point on Shields omission as a sub. Granted he had used Connolly and Hoare but look at the effect Bolger had when he came on late. Shields would have been the prefect sub to come on not long after we scored. Benson also was out of steam at that stage and he wasn’t helping 0’Donnell.

To go 1 up in extra time an experienced team like us should have managed that game out.

I think this was another tactical mistake made. If they had scored first you would have been guaranteed they would have shut up shop. This was a bad error and it’s stuff like this that SK needs to learn from. There is a time to play attractive football and a time to run down the clock and collect your prize.


To be fair, I have since heard that Chris was in a bad way leaving training at the end of last week. Whether a recurrence of the old problem or some new injury is a moot point at this stage. I can only assume he was on the bench to avoid showing our hand and to be part of the day. To be honest, if you replaced him with an u19 they were hardly going to be used.

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Re: FAI Senior Cup 2017

Postby seand » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:21 am

Whatever about Duffy's penalty, which clearly wasn't a great one, surely its the player's own choice how much of a run up he wants?!!

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Re: FAI Senior Cup 2017

Postby DundalkChampions » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:19 am

I really hope the next time we have a big game (Tallaght, Aviva etc) that when the Shedside Scumbags decide they want a singing section, the club tell them to pillowcase off!

How much money have they cost the club in fines now?

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Re: FAI Senior Cup 2017

Postby oldfogey » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:46 am

seand wrote:Whatever about Duffy's penalty, which clearly wasn't a great one, surely its the player's own choice how much of a run up he wants?!!


You are supposed to add "(tic)" at the end so those who don't get sarcasm realise you are not serious!

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Re: FAI Senior Cup 2017

Postby seand » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:22 pm

oldfogey wrote:
seand wrote:Whatever about Duffy's penalty, which clearly wasn't a great one, surely its the player's own choice how much of a run up he wants?!!


You are supposed to add "(tic)" at the end so those who don't get sarcasm realise you are not serious!


No sarcasm intended, I just don't understand why people are trying to dictate the 'correct' length of run up for a pen. Surely it's the player's choice.


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