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Re: Dundalk V Cork | Mon 25 Sept | 7:20pm | Turners Cross

Postby seand » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:13 am

El Paso wrote:Didn’t make a lot of difference in the end but Rob Rogers was awful - the Hoare and Connolly bookings were staggering. And Hoare was fouled for that og


Not that it really matters, but Hoare was clearly fouled for the goal. If his clearance had flown out of the box he definitely would have got a free for the very late tackle from Keohane. It got lost in the excitement of the deflection and goal I think. But then Massey should have been off for two terrible tackles before that.

Cork defended excellently and deserved at least the draw. It was always going to be hard once we went behind but we need a little more from our midfielders when faced with an ultra-defensive, ultra-committed opposition.



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Re: Dundalk V Cork | Mon 25 Sept | 7:20pm | Turners Cross

Postby leesider » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:37 am

Great ocassion last night and ye played yere part in it, fair play. Decent sized away support considering it was a Monday night.If Keohane had put away that chance at 1-0 I think we would have won.
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Re: Dundalk V Cork | Mon 25 Sept | 7:20pm | Turners Cross

Postby White Horse » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:40 am

It is time to do something different when playing Cork.

Cork play a tight horizontal three in midfield with their two wide players doubling up a full backs. They make the game a battle and we get outfought.

We play a loose midfield three, almost in a vertical line. Even then, Shields and Benson wander all over the pitch. Did you notice that Shields, the defensive midfielder, was in the left full back position for the Cork goal. No wonder the Cork player was unmarked at the edge of the box.

With so much breaking ball in midfield, Cork always outnumber us, and starve us of possession.

We have three players who can't tackle; McEleney, Connolly, and Duffy. When our Connolly and Duffy tried to harry Cork players, they conceded free kicks. McEleney doesn't even try to tackle.

In my opinion, the way to play Cork is to be tight and disciplined and then introduce creative players as the game opens up after an hour. They are a one trick pony, they lack creativity. We are the better team, but we are shooting ourselves in the foot by being so open.

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Re: Dundalk V Cork | Mon 25 Sept | 7:20pm | Turners Cross

Postby oldfogey » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:02 am

I dont think Stephen should shy away from the style of play he aspires to. While it might be problematic against Cork it has served us well over the last 3 years at home and abroad. I do admit that a one off game against Cork like a Cup final needs special consideration. The history books won't show it, but we won the last 3 titles because we were the better team(and Cork pushed us hard). Cork will win it this year because we threw away a rake of points before the break.

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Re: Dundalk V Cork | Mon 25 Sept | 7:20pm | Turners Cross

Postby mike » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:50 am

White Horse wrote:It is time to do something different when playing Cork.

Cork play a tight horizontal three in midfield with their two wide players doubling up a full backs. They make the game a battle and we get outfought.

We play a loose midfield three, almost in a vertical line. Even then, Shields and Benson wander all over the pitch. Did you notice that Shields, the defensive midfielder, was in the left full back position for the Cork goal. No wonder the Cork player was unmarked at the edge of the box.

With so much breaking ball in midfield, Cork always outnumber us, and starve us of possession.

We have three players who can't tackle; McEleney, Connolly, and Duffy. When our Connolly and Duffy tried to harry Cork players, they conceded free kicks. McEleney doesn't even try to tackle.

In my opinion, the way to play Cork is to be tight and disciplined and then introduce creative players as the game opens up after an hour. They are a one trick pony, they lack creativity. We are the better team, but we are shooting ourselves in the foot by being so open.



This is an interesting comment and worth considering, we were certainly out fought in MF and Cork ripped into us like mad men at times, but then again when we started to play and pass it around and kept calm (last 15 mins) this was the time of our best play and it led to the equaliser.

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Re: Dundalk V Cork | Mon 25 Sept | 7:20pm | Turners Cross

Postby El Paso » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:30 am

The match was very similar to the game in March - they bossed it until their own anxiety made them retreat to their own box and we nicked a goal. It's just they had a two goal cushion last time. The only difference between then and now is that they didn't create much but had a high conversion ratio with Maguire and now they just don't create much.

They always outdo us in midfield. Very good analysis by WH. Absolutely we should stick to the systems that serve us well, but clearly this specific match up isn't working for us. The last time we dominated them - the 2-1 in Turners Cross two years ago - it was due to our own phenomenal work rate and high pressing in midfield. McEleney, Duffy, Connolly don't give us that and Shields got overrun with Benson wandering around.

Connolly took on Griffin twice and drew fouls early doors. Perplexed as to how easily this avenue got shut off after the goal.
There's only one word for that - magic darts...

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Re: Dundalk V Cork | Mon 25 Sept | 7:20pm | Turners Cross

Postby seand » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:03 pm

El Paso wrote:Connolly took on Griffin twice and drew fouls early doors. Perplexed as to how easily this avenue got shut off after the goal.


McCormack shifted left, and they generally doubled up on Connolly to make sure he had no space.

Perhaps a case for playing Shields and O'Donnell from the start last night, but is O'Donnell even fit?

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Re: Dundalk V Cork | Mon 25 Sept | 7:20pm | Turners Cross

Postby dell » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:06 pm

McCormack was excellent for them too last night and did stuff that was lacking a bit from sheilds. We do miss the composure and drive of a fit and younger SO'D. McEleney looked a bit jaded and looks to still be carrying annoying niggling injuries. I thought it woud have been him that was subbed late on. Kenny knows his players and his recent comments on McEleney not being a natural athlete and having to work hard to keep fit rings true.
Garts has been a bit unfortunate with OGs this season but looking to next season his goal threat will happen again with the natural width and quality set pieces we will have from Massey and Duffy. We all know where we can be improved as a squad and some great work has been done rebuilding this season. A couple of astute signings come November and we will still be favourites next season. It would have been nice to see how Cork would have reacted to losing last night over the remaining games but we have the cup still to soften disappintment, we can make an impact seeded for the EL next season and we will be a better side next season too. The league table no longer looks like Cork were so dominant over the season either. Lets not forget that they were targeting an unbeaten season with some expeting the league to be done and dusted weeks ago.

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Re: Dundalk V Cork | Mon 25 Sept | 7:20pm | Turners Cross

Postby dundalkfc1903 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:32 pm

We could play in a different manner if we had Hoban, or a Hoban-type player in the squad.

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Re: Dundalk V Cork | Mon 25 Sept | 7:20pm | Turners Cross

Postby Johnny Guitar » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:33 pm

It always seemed to me like cork had an extra man all the time. They were able to crowd out the midfield. We didnt do enough to switch the play put the ball into areas that we could run into and exploit their high line.
I think out main problem was that the plan wasn't working and plan b was to try plan a harder. It works sometimes but sometimes a bit of in play common sense would do no harm.
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Re: Dundalk V Cork | Mon 25 Sept | 7:20pm | Turners Cross

Postby oldfogey » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:30 pm

seand wrote:
El Paso wrote:Connolly took on Griffin twice and drew fouls early doors. Perplexed as to how easily this avenue got shut off after the goal.


McCormack shifted left, and they generally doubled up on Connolly to make sure he had no space.

Perhaps a case for playing Shields and O'Donnell from the start last night, but is O'Donnell even fit?


As an aside, the Shields for O'Donnell substitution gave a seldom seen insight into Chris' frustration. He was furious coming off the pitch and you could sense the others afraid to even speak to him when he sat down. As is obvious from posts here there are those for and against his inclusion. It is however, impossible to deny that his tenacity in the middle of the park is sorely missed when not about. He more than most would be aware of who wasn't pulling their weight last night.

Not a word of a lie, I was just saying to my daughter that Benson had disappeared and hadn't touched the ball in ages just as he flicked it into the net from 6 yards. It takes 1 second to score a goal.

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Re: Dundalk V Cork | Mon 25 Sept | 7:20pm | Turners Cross

Postby niall_hearty2000 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:17 pm

For me. A fit Stephen O'Donnell starts every game. He drives this team. Either that or sign a younger version of him. He is wasted coming off the bench. He would have been better starting last night. Not sure where we will get one, but we need a Maguire type of striker. Oh wait a minute! :-) but cork know how to play us now. Our mf was non existent last night and Mcmillan got no service. Connolly, Duffy, Mceleney and benson apart from the goal were all missing for far too much of the game. Massey lost his composure and was lucky to stay on pitch before being subbed. Cork have the better of us in the past 2 seasons. So it is all well and good beating Drogheda, pats etc but titles are won and lost v your main rivals. We took 1 point v Cork this season while they took 7 from us.
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Re: Dundalk V Cork | Mon 25 Sept | 7:20pm | Turners Cross

Postby Townfan7 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:37 pm

Cork set up very well & swamped the midfield leaving Duffy & Connolly near redundant. Despite their first half possession it was only an own goal that separated the sides. Cork seemed to try & hold on to their lead throughout the second period & thankfully it back fired with Benson's late strike. We nicked the draw but Cork seemed happy at this which is surprising when you think they had the better play & over 6,800 cheering them on. I'm delighted Cork didn't fall over the line against us, they will perhaps win the league now & good luck to them but if ever there was a hard way to win a league well Cork City are making a hell of a good job of it. Mc Cormack was outstanding for Cork & deserved his MOTM, for Dundalk we can play better, Mc Eleney in particular never got out of the blocks which was very disappointing.

Finally, I hope there are no injuries from last night, we need a full squad fit & ready for Sunday.

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Re: Dundalk V Cork | Mon 25 Sept | 7:20pm | Turners Cross

Postby oldfogey » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:18 pm

I'm more worried about the yellow cards.

I'm trying to work out Vemmelunds 5th, was it the Cup Final?

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Re: Dundalk V Cork | Mon 25 Sept | 7:20pm | Turners Cross

Postby El Paso » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:08 am

Bit late this but...

Am I right in thinking the Cork match was the first time we even managed a point this season after going behind?
There's only one word for that - magic darts...


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