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Postby Wexford White » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:22 pm

Like most of you, I was appalled by the behaviour of the Rovers fans last Sunday
On this occasion the kick off time suited me in that I could use public transport to and from Oriel.
So there I was waiting in Dundalk railway station for my return journey. Rovers fans began to arrive. They were loud, obnoxious and very intimidating but there was a very strong garda presence and everything was under control. The train was delayed in Drogheda for 20/25 minutes so that the gardai could deal with whatever problems they were experiencing. Happily there were no Rovers fans in my carriage. We eventually reached Connolly. There was another garda presence and the fans broke and went their various ways.
So much for the Rovers fans.
What about the Dundalk fans?
On two separate occasions flares were thrown in my direction, one of them struck me. The people around me were very angry and upset and so was I. One lady in particular was extremely distressed.
We could have been maimed.We could have been burnt. We could have been blinded.
When I buy a ticket to a match in Oriel I am entering into a contract with Dundalk FC. I am expected to behave myself and not to endanger others and to abide by all rules and regulations. Dundalk FC for their part have a duty of care towards me. Last Sunday they failed in this duty.
So I say this to Dundalk FC: You know who threw those flares. What are you going to do about it?


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Postby Sneachta » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:04 pm

Wexford White wrote:Like most of you, I was appalled by the behaviour of the Rovers fans last Sunday
On this occasion the kick off time suited me in that I could use public transport to and from Oriel.
So there I was waiting in Dundalk railway station for my return journey. Rovers fans began to arrive. They were loud, obnoxious and very intimidating but there was a very strong garda presence and everything was under control. The train was delayed in Drogheda for 20/25 minutes so that the gardai could deal with whatever problems they were experiencing. Happily there were no Rovers fans in my carriage. We eventually reached Connolly. There was another garda presence and the fans broke and went their various ways.
So much for the Rovers fans.
What about the Dundalk fans?
On two separate occasions flares were thrown in my direction, one of them struck me. The people around me were very angry and upset and so was I. One lady in particular was extremely distressed.
We could have been maimed.We could have been burnt. We could have been blinded.
When I buy a ticket to a match in Oriel I am entering into a contract with Dundalk FC. I am expected to behave myself and not to endanger others and to abide by all rules and regulations. Dundalk FC for their part have a duty of care towards me. Last Sunday they failed in this duty.
So I say this to Dundalk FC: You know who threw those flares. What are you going to do about it?
I think you should let the club know and the guards...
Perhaps even the ombudsman!

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Re: Security

Postby Louth4sam » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:45 am

The club don't care, they never have. Have a look through Oriel Web and there is a thread like this every few months. I'm firmly of the view that the club realised a long time ago that the fines were much cheaper than hiring an event management and security team that were suitable for the job. Some of the lads we currently employ is comical.
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Postby niall_hearty2000 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:01 pm

Louth4sam wrote:The club don't care, they never have. Have a look through Oriel Web and there is a thread like this every few months. I'm firmly of the view that the club realised a long time ago that the fines were much cheaper than hiring an event management and security team that were suitable for the job. Some of the lads we currently employ is comical.


hence the security guy who when he went to put sand on the fire (and I am not referring to the chap who almost got burnt trying to put the flames out)gave the rovers fans the "wanker" hand sign. not only was it totally unprofessional it could also have escalated the situation even further and led to a pitch invasion. Thankfully he was quickly removed by another member of the security team. The bottom line is that the club know who the guys using flares are. So why doesn't a member of the club stand outside prior to the game and ensure that these individuals are checked? Having said that then they will just get somebody else to carry it in for them. Quite possibly in a woman's handbag. This isn't us being killjoys, but flares are dangerous and somebody will be seriously maimed for life if something goes horribly wrong. Then the club will not be able to afford the pay out or live with the consequences of it. Are we fined for Rovers flares as well? or just our own?
I believe that when the rovers fans arrived into Dundalk on the train, that instead of being escorted straight into the ground that they just marched straight into town with a paddy wagon behind them as escort, allowing them to openly drink cans on the street.
rumour also has it that the rovers fans were pegged with coins from the stand as well and that is what led to a minor altercation in the stand. unfortunately as we all know, oriel is not fit to hold big games like this, or should that be not prone to holding big games against volatile fans like rovers.
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Re: Security

Postby oldfogey » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:20 pm

I agree. The club should be refused a licence until a proper stadium is built.

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Re: Security

Postby Ezeikial » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:42 pm

niall_hearty2000 wrote:hence the security guy who when he went to put sand on the fire (and I am not referring to the chap who almost got burnt trying to put the flames out)gave the rovers fans the "wanker" hand sign. not only was it totally unprofessional it could also have escalated the situation even further and led to a pitch invasion.


This was completely unacceptable, and as you point out, could easily have provoked a stronger reaction from Rovers fans on the away terrace.

A number of home fans in the stand, who really should know better, celebrated the first goal in an extremely provocative and aggressive manner towards Rovers fans.

Can anyone shed any light on the claims from Rovers fans of coin throwing and spitting from Dundalk fans in the stand?
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Re: Security

Postby condor » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:40 pm

Short of strip searching people at the turnstiles, what can the club do to stop people taking flares
in to the ground? If people really want to take in any contraband they'll do it.
On Sunday, Martin Connolly spent the 2nd half in front of the shed directing extra stewards that he had
brought over to sort out the flare and smoke bomb situation. I watched him, the chap was losing his
fucking mind. I think it's a little disingenuous to say "the club don't care" If we'd played anyone but
Rovers on Sunday the game would have passed without incident. The mere presence of Rovers at any venue
creates a nasty, volatile atmosphere and that's a fact, but that does not excuse the misbehaviour of
some Dundalk fans.

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Re: Security

Postby McNultys Discopants » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:53 am

condor wrote:Short of strip searching people at the turnstiles, what can the club do to stop people taking flares
in to the ground? If people really want to take in any contraband they'll do it.
On Sunday, Martin Connolly spent the 2nd half in front of the shed directing extra stewards that he had
brought over to sort out the flare and smoke bomb situation. I watched him, the chap was losing his
fucking mind. I think it's a little disingenuous to say "the club don't care" If we'd played anyone but
Rovers on Sunday the game would have passed without incident. The mere presence of Rovers at any venue
creates a nasty, volatile atmosphere and that's a fact, but that does not excuse the misbehaviour of
some Dundalk fans.


You're probably right - these scrotes get the stuff in somehow at all the grounds - but if they can't master the proactive approach should they not be better prepared for a quicker reaction.

I mean how hard is it to have a couple of fire extinguishers beside the stewards close to away section and the shed side to deal with these incidents when they will inevitably happen?

It's still baffling how long they took to respond to the flare being thrown onto the pitch last Sunday.


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