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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by Ezeikial » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:32 pm

Dundalk FC awarded European licence for 2019

Dundalk FC have been awarded a UEFA Licence ahead of their return to the Champions League qualifiers this summer.

The FAI confirmed the body’s Independent Club Licensing Committee passed the Lilywhites’ application’, along with those of Cork City, Shamrock Rovers and St. Patrick’s Athletic, who will play in the Europa League preliminaries.

St. Pat's receiving a licence means Waterford miss out on a European place despite finishing last season in fourth place.

Presently, Dundalk host Rovers tomorrow night seeking to claim a fourth successive league victory.
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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by dell1 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:20 pm

So much for claims, including from a former FAI member of staff that our coaching team arrangements would be in question by UEFA licencing.

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by oldfogey » Mon May 06, 2019 3:12 pm

A couple of leagues settled(virtually) over the weekend.

Dudelange (Lux) who made it into the EL group stages last year are 6 points clear with 2 games left against two of the bottom three clubs. Hopefully their coefficient 6.25 will keep them seeded.

Spare a thought for Hibernian of Malta. They were level on points with Valetta in the league and lost the playoff 4-2 on penalties, game finishing 2-2 after extra time. Apart the medals, just the small matter of €260k versus €800k.

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Tue May 07, 2019 9:58 am

A couple of big hitters confirmed as champions over the weekend- Celtic, Red Star Belgrade and CL regulars Qarabag from Azerbaijan. We'll avoid them in round 1 but round 2 is getting tougher and tougher. Skendija confirmed in Macedonia, but may be seeded, Valletta in Malta almost certainly won't be seeded.

You would hope there's a reasonable chance we'd be grouped with Linfield, Nomme Kalju, Valur Reykjavik, HB and one of the qualifying round winners in the first round draw.

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Thu May 09, 2019 9:47 am

With Liverpool and Spurs both already qualified for the CL via the Premier League (barring some weird Spurs like miracle) it makes things very slightly easier for Dundalk. As the 2019 CL champions also qualify through the league the CL Champions spot in the CL group is not used, which means the Austrian champions get straight into the groups (instead of the playoff round), which means the Czech champions get bumped up from the third round to the playoff round, which means the Greek champions PAOK get bumped up to the third qualifying round, which means the Israeli and Cypriot champions get moved up from round 1 to round 2. That makes no immediate difference to us as we're seeded anyway in rd1 but means a couple of the stronger non-seeds will now be seeded. It also makes rd2 and rd3 slightly easier, and rd2/3 of the Europa League slightly easier when we end up there.

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by Louth4sam » Thu May 09, 2019 11:12 am

With our record of being drawing against the higher seeds it will hardly impact us too much. We're well overdue a trip to San Marino
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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Thu May 09, 2019 12:05 pm

It PROBABLY won't impact us at all but it could. We should get a very winnable draw in the first round, but in the second round having maybe HJK instead of PAOK as a seed could make an enormous difference. And pushing APOEL and Maccabi straight into the second round of the CL makes the parachute rounds of the EL considerably easier if and when we feck up r1 or rd2 of the CL. One lucky draw can make the difference between another hard luck story and another group stage.

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Mon May 13, 2019 12:49 pm

Now confirmed that APOEL and Maccabi promoted to the second qualifying round, and PAOK to the third. It's taking shape
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%8 ... ons_League
Ludogorets (Bulgaria) and Maribor (Slovenia) will join us in the seeded side of the draw shortly.
An interesting addition to the non-seeds is CFR Cluj, the Romanian champions, definitely a non-seed we want to avoid. If Legia don't win the league in Poland Piast or Lechia would be unseeded. We don't particularly want Legia in the draw, but it might be the lesser of two evils, as there'd be a good chance of an unseeded Polish champion being grouped with us in the draw. Some difference between playing the champions of Faroes and Poland!

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Thu May 16, 2019 10:20 am

Nearly there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%8 ... ons_League
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/ue ... l2019.html
Confirmed that we're seeded in round one and unseeded in round 2 regardless of what else happens. Maribor in as champions of Slovenia. TNS confirmed as seeded (along with Slovan, Skendija and Dudelange).

Piast Gliwice are in the driver's seat in Poland- if they qualify they'll be unseeded, which would be a nightmare draw. If we somehow wrangle our way through two rounds Ajax are waiting in the third qualifying round draw!

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by colymull » Thu May 16, 2019 12:08 pm

seand wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 10:20 am
Nearly there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%8 ... ons_League
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/ue ... l2019.html
Confirmed that we're seeded in round one and unseeded in round 2 regardless of what else happens. Maribor in as champions of Slovenia. TNS confirmed as seeded (along with Slovan, Skendija and Dudelange).

Piast Gliwice are in the driver's seat in Poland- if they qualify they'll be unseeded, which would be a nightmare draw. If we somehow wrangle our way through two rounds Ajax are waiting in the third qualifying round draw!
I've a horrible feeling, for some reason, we are going to get Piast or Legia, which I think would both be nightmare draws. Give me Linfield all day long!!!
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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by muppet » Thu May 16, 2019 12:28 pm

colymull wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 12:08 pm
seand wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 10:20 am
Nearly there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%8 ... ons_League
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/ue ... l2019.html
Confirmed that we're seeded in round one and unseeded in round 2 regardless of what else happens. Maribor in as champions of Slovenia. TNS confirmed as seeded (along with Slovan, Skendija and Dudelange).

Piast Gliwice are in the driver's seat in Poland- if they qualify they'll be unseeded, which would be a nightmare draw. If we somehow wrangle our way through two rounds Ajax are waiting in the third qualifying round draw!
I've a horrible feeling, for some reason, we are going to get Piast or Legia, which I think would both be nightmare draws. Give me Linfield all day long!!!
We can only get Piast. If Legia win they would be seeded, though we could potentially draw them in the second round.

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by oldfogey » Thu May 16, 2019 1:51 pm

Unofficially, the first round of the CL is grouped geographically while ensuring that there is an approximate spread of seeded and unseeded teams in each group. I would like to think we would have at least 2 out of Estonia, Faroes, Iceland and Linfield. There are only 3 slots left on the seeded side. Slovenian winners Maribor will be seeded and Ludogorets (seeded) are favourites in Bulgaria. That just leaves Poland. A win for Legia would send the Swedish champions onto the unseeded side of the draw. As the highest ranked team certainly ones to avoid. Lincoln Red Imps (Gib) would be another one to steer clear of as they are likely to come through the preliminary round. Remember they gave Celtic a fright a couple of years ago.

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Thu May 16, 2019 2:14 pm

There are probably 8 north/west European teams in the seeded side (Celtic, BATE, Dundalk, Rosenborg, HJK, Dudelange, TNS and either AIK or Legia) with I'd say 4 eastern and 4 central/south. The draw is to be split into groups of 10 or 12 with 5 or 6 seeds and 5 or 6 nonseeds, so some of the northern teams are gonna be travelling beyond the usual parameters. There's probably 6 north/west teams among the nonseeds (Nomme Kalju, Valur, Linfield, HB, Riga, Piast/AIK) maybe we'll get lucky and they'll push Dudelange into central and BATE/HJK to central or east.

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Mon May 20, 2019 11:35 am

Into the final straight....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%8 ... ying_round

The Armenian champions will be unseeded (only Alashkert would have a chance and they're 4th, 6 pts behind with 2 games to go), so it's between Suduva (Lithuania) and Ludogorets/CSKA (Bulgaria) for the last seeding spot. if Ludogorets win in Bulgaria they'll be seeded and they'll push Suduva into the non-seeds, which would be good for us, in the first round draw anyway. CSKA would not be seeded, and would leave Suduva among the seeds. Ludogorets 1 pt ahead of CSKA with 2 to play, Ludogorets warm favourites.

A lot depends on the regionalisation of the draw. It's a bit random, and is partly based on seedings too- the highest ranked clubs seem to be split into different 'regionalised' groups. Looking at last year's first qual round draw:
There were 3 groups, 1 Northern/Western and 2 Central/Eastern.
The Northern/Western group had seeds from Sweden, Finland, Poland, Norway and.... Bulgaria
The Northern/Western group had non-seeds from Faroes, NI, RoI, Iceland and preliminary qualifier

Now.... the seeded Scottish and Welsh champs got moved to Central/Eastern groups, as did the non-seeded champions of Luxembourg and the 3 Baltic states.

A reminder that in 2017 we were unseeded and grouped with the champions of Scotland, Poland, Sweden, Norway, Iceland and Slovenia (with Dundalk were champions of RoI, NI, Faroes, Finland, Macedonia, Bosnia)
And in 2016 were unseeded and the group looked like this: Seeds from Scotland, Belarus, Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Serbia; Non-seeds from RoI, NI, Malta, Sweden, Estonia, Finland

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Thu May 23, 2019 9:55 am

Ok, so we now know the Armenian champions willl definitely be unseeded, the only question is whether Ludogorets or CSKA win in Bulgaria. It should be Ludogorets, they're a point clear with one game left and a handy home game to come. That'd push Suduva into the non-seeds. So the non-seeds will be:
Malta - Valletta
Lithuania - Suduva
Bosnia - Sarajevo
Poland - Piast
Romania - Cluj
Hungary - Ferencváros
Estonia - Nõmme Kalju
Montenegro - Sutjeska
Albania - Partizani
Iceland - Valur
NI - Linfield
Faroes - HB
Latvia - Riga
Armenia - Pyunik/Ararat
Georgia - Saburtalo
Preliminary winners- Lincoln (Gibraltar), Santa Coloma (Andorra), Feronikeli (Kosovo), LaFiorita/Tre Penne (San Marino)
Lincoln from Gibraltar who drew with Celtic last year the most likely qualifier.

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