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Record breakers

Postby seand » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:45 am

As expected a number of League of Ireland records have fallen this season, so here’s a dedicated thread for celebrating these historic times.

(There's a Patrick Hoban thread elsewhere detailing his phenomenal goal scoring season.)

Starting with goals......... this is absolutely insane. A list of the top scoring League of Ireland teams, of all time.

Stephen Kenny's Dundalk are 5 of the top 10, including the top two.

85 goals: DUNDALK 2018 (36 games, average 2.36)
78 goals: DUNDALK 2015 (33 games, average 2.36)
77 goals: Rovers 22-3 (22 games, average 3.5)
76 goals: Waterford 37-8 (22 games, average 3.45, runners-up)
74 goals: Bohemians 77-8 (30 games, average 2.47)
73 goals: Bohemians 35-6 (22 games, average 3.32)
73 goals: DUNDALK 2014 (33 games, average 2.21)
73 goals: DUNDALK 2016 (33 games, average 2.21)
73 goals: Sligo 2011 (36 games, average 2.03, runners-up)
72 goals: DUNDALK 2017 (33 games, average 2.18, runners-up)
72 goals: Derry 89-90 (runners-up), Shels 22-3 (runners-up), Bohs 22-3 (third)

And obviously during the Premier Division era the top five reads like this
85 DUNDALK 2018
78 DUNDALK 2015
73 DUNDALK 2014
73 DUNDALK 2016
73 Sligo 2011
(72 DUNDALK 2017, 72 Derry 89-90)

Our goal difference was an insane +65… a new record. The only others with +50 or better
+65 DUNDALK 2018 (85-20)
+58 Rovers 22-3 (77-19)
+58 Shels 22-3 (72-14)
+55 DUNDALK 2015 (78-23)
+54 Sligo 2011 (73-19)
+54 Derry 89-90 (72-18)
+53 Cork Celtic (70-17)



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Re: Record breakers

Postby seand » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:49 am

As mentioned elsewhere Dundalk are now officially the most successful team of the Premier Division era (since the league went to two divisions in 1985).
Dundalk 7 titles
Shelbourne 6
Rovers/Pats 5
(Bohs 4, Cork 3, Derry 2, Sligo/Drogs 1)

Overall Dundalk are up to second on the all-time success list.
Shamrock Rovers 17 titles
Dundalk 13
Shelbourne 13
I’m putting Dundalk ahead of Shels on a tie-break- Dundalk were runners-up 11 times to Shels’ 10 (question is do you give Shels credit for being Irish League runners-up in 1906-07? In which case Shels sneak ahead on third placed finishes). And I’m ignoring the Shels 2006 farce.

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Re: Record breakers

Postby seand » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:59 am

Dundalk are the third team to finish in the top two in six successive seasons (no team has ever done seven in a row). Interestingly Cork are now one of only five teams to finish in the top two five times in a row (Rovers, Bohs, Cork United, Waterford never managed this)
6 (4 titles) Dundalk 2013-18
6 (4) Shelbourne 1999-2004
6 (3) Shelbourne 1925-30
5 (2) Drumcondra 1945-50
5 (1) Cork 2014-18

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Re: Record breakers

Postby seand » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:01 pm

Stephen Kenny is now the joint most successful manager of the Premier Division era
Kenny 5*
Fenlon 5*
Keely 4
McLaughin 3- but McLaughlin has another four from the one division days for a total of 7. Stephen Kenny take note. (*Of course Fenlon’s Shels stole one from Kenny’s Derry in 2006. That Shels side are the only club I know in world football to be allowed to keep a title while being demoted for financial shenanigans.)

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Re: Record breakers

Postby El Paso » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:55 pm

seand wrote:Dundalk are the third team to finish in the top two in six successive seasons (no team has ever done seven in a row). Interestingly Cork are now one of only five teams to finish in the top two five times in a row (Rovers, Bohs, Cork United, Waterford never managed this)
6 (4 titles) Dundalk 2013-18
6 (4) Shelbourne 1999-2004
6 (3) Shelbourne 1925-30
5 (2) Drumcondra 1945-50
5 (1) Cork 2014-18


Love this one. The stat that possibly marks the Kenny era as the League’s greatest. I hope we’re all savouring these times. We’re making history.

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Re: Record breakers

Postby seand » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:06 pm

In terms of clutches of titles (minimum four) Dundalk’s 4 out of 5 is nothing special! But these are the legendary teams we're looking to surpass over the next couple of seasons.
It’s worth noting that all of the previous clubs to dominate domestically ended up as basket cases shortly afterwards.

6 out of 8: Waterford 65-73 (unsustainable, almost went bust, also-rans since)
5 out of 6: Cork United 40-46 (unsustainable, bust shortly after)
5 out of 8: Shelbourne 99-06 (unsustainable, almost went bust, demoted, also-rans since)
4 out of 4: Rovers 83-87 (unsustainable, almost went bust, it's a long story)
4 out of 5: Dundalk 14-18

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Re: Record breakers

Postby colymull » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:18 pm

seand wrote:In terms of clutches of titles (minimum four) Dundalk’s 4 out of 5 is nothing special! But these are the legendary teams we're looking to surpass over the next couple of seasons.
It’s worth noting that all of the previous clubs to dominate domestically ended up as basket cases shortly afterwards.

6 out of 8: Waterford 65-73 (unsustainable, almost went bust, also-rans since)
5 out of 6: Cork United 40-46 (unsustainable, bust shortly after)
5 out of 8: Shelbourne 99-06 (unsustainable, almost went bust, demoted, also-rans since)
4 out of 4: Rovers 83-87 (unsustainable, almost went bust, it's a long story)
4 out of 5: Dundalk 14-18



There's a worrying trend there, hopefully that's another record we can break!!
King Kenny!

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Re: Record breakers

Postby bigalan » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:20 pm

Fantastic work Sean. Thank You

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Re: Record breakers

Postby dell1 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:11 pm

Agreed! Thanks Seán. It never ceases to amaze how quickly a footballing landscape can change. An example being with Shamrock Rovers taking their title count to 17 with back to back league wins and their EL group qualification money it looked like no club could ever overhaul them - they really should have kicked on to dominate for longer. From our perspective simply survival would have been enough for us around that time. Now overtaking 17 league titles doesnt look so impossible, along with building on our own EL group qualification to be built upon. That final bunch of 'records' above are quite grounding though - we've been trail blazers, set records and bucked trends before and this is one to go too along with topping the Irish all time roll of honour!!

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Re: Record breakers

Postby El Paso » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:01 pm

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Re: Record breakers

Postby El Paso » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:13 pm

Rovers won the League with Michael O’Neill then went to pot when he left. Probably more to it, but Kenny won’t be here for ever so hope we’re well prepared.

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Re: Record breakers

Postby bigalan » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:30 pm

El Paso wrote:Rovers won the League with Michael O’Neill then went to pot when he left. Probably more to it, but Kenny won’t be here for ever so hope we’re well prepared.


Sure the lad they replaced him with hadnt a clue. Oh wait!!!

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Re: Record breakers

Postby El Paso » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:07 pm

One thing time seems to have proven is that Stephen Kenny thrives when given a clean slate, but struggles to impose his ideas when inheriting someone else’s team. He needed to rip that Rovers side up and start again and the club balked.

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Re: Record breakers

Postby dell1 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:40 pm

Its an intereesting if dreaded thought to consider things post Stephen Kenny. Hopefully Skip and Vinny Perth are getting plenty of experience in and would be well fit to take over the reigns!

I think what happened at Rovers set the way things SK has done things at Dundalk. No serious ego types in the squad and anyone who spat the dummy thinking they should be in the team were cut loose quick enough. The only one that possibly merited more games, and with hindsight, is Maguire. That Rovers dressing room had a few umm personalities that you can see not buying in to a new manager expecting them to work and behave like pros - Twigg always carried an extra few lbs, Chris Turner enough said, Dennehy was a sulker, Ricketts left and never played more than a handfull of games ever after, McCormack never seemed to be considered, there's probably a few more that ye wouldnt be sure about ..McCabe maybe. Conversely from that squad O'Donnell was one of Kenny's first signings. Gannon, Kilduff, Finn followed, even Sheppard nearly signed for SK again. Murray would have been dedicated, Sives, Oman and Patterson were old pros too i'd say.
There was just enough influences in the dressingroom that mad the Rover board baulk. In the short term Kenny looked completely shot of confidence and probably needed a job like Dundalk as much as we needed a born leader and manager like him. We just have to look at the records above to see how things just were a real fit!

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Re: Record breakers

Postby seand » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:38 am

These kind of posts are a bit silly really, but I find it interesting, and it does help put this Dundalk side in context. Okay, so finallly a review of some of the records Dundalk have set or equalled this season!

ALL TIME RECORDS
Most points in a season
Most goals scored in a season
Biggest goal difference in a season
Most successive top two finishes (joint)

PREMIER DIVISION ERA ONLY

Most league titles
Most points in a season
Most goals in a season (team)
Most goals in a season (player)
Biggest goal difference in a season
Most successive top two finishes (joint)
Most titles as a manager (joint)
Most Player of the Year nominations


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