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Re: New Manager

Postby McGregor » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:21 pm

El Paso. It certainly seems that you've offered your opinion a few times on why VP hasn't got the qualifications, which to be honest hardly means the question has been answered.

Kenny's personality, self belief, philosophy, meticulous preparation and player management were key to our success. Skills he acquired in a 20 year managerial career at the coalface not by sitting as a number two.

The underlying point in the Pro licence thing is that if VP really believed in himself he should have the qualifications, been pushing hard to stand on his own two feet and make a name for himself. Seriously with his profile in the past few years he should have been in the frame for the recent Pats, Derry and Sligo jobs but NO, yet apparently he seems to be the right man for the champions.

He is a major asset who I would 100% like to see stay as part of the new set up, but it is a huge leap to think that Vinny Perth possesses the qualities needed to progress the club further. The truth is he simply has NOT shown these attributes. The fact that he has been involved here and knows the players should not be enough alone to get anyone the top job.
My point about best person available is simply that it should not be the person who fits into a false DoF/Manager role which seems to be what is being rumoured, rather If you've the right man who comes with a whole new staff then so be it.



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Re: New Manager

Postby Dundalk10 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:40 pm

Sneachta wrote:Staunton????? You're having a laugh kid! Not gonna happen

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Maybe not. But all I can tell you is the person that told me knows what their talking about and that was the way things were yesterday.
If he does get it it's only for the badge.

Purely guesswork but i Wouldn't be surprised if there was some development tomorrow to coincide with the opening of the shop, same as there was last year.

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Re: New Manager

Postby Dundalk10 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:46 pm

Paddy power now has Perth at 10/12, Staunton 3/1, and Neville 6/1

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Re: New Manager

Postby Dundalk10 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:46 pm

Dundalk10 wrote:Paddy power now has Perth at 10/12, Staunton 3/1, and Neville 6/1


Sorry Perth is 10/11!

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Re: New Manager

Postby El Paso » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:21 pm

McGregor

Whether or not Perth is the right man is a matter of opinion.

Where a number of people are way out of line and need to wind their necks in is over the licence. What is a FACT is that he had a full time job until July in addition to working savage hours with us. He has jacked in his job to go full time with us. Gambled his and his family’s livelihood on us. Did so because he was asked to by the manager you just claimed knows everything. And he was enrolled in the 2019/20 course after he went full time with us.

The people on here who think a guy should just invest 8 grand and 500 contact hours on top of working a full time job AND a second job in football, with no guarantee of work afterwards, or it shows they’re not ‘ambitious’ should be told to gft.

And btw every reason you’ve just given for Perth not already having a full time management job somewhere else applies to every perspective candidate for our job. If whoever it is is so good why aren’t they managing already? First question I’d be asking.

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Re: New Manager

Postby niall_hearty2000 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:13 pm

El Paso wrote:McGregor

Whether or not Perth is the right man is a matter of opinion.

Where a number of people are way out of line and need to wind their necks in is over the licence. What is a FACT is that he had a full time job until July in addition to working savage hours with us. He has jacked in his job to go full time with us. Gambled his and his family’s livelihood on us. Did so because he was asked to by the manager you just claimed knows everything. And he was enrolled in the 2019/20 course after he went full time with us.

The people on here who think a guy should just invest 8 grand and 500 contact hours on top of working a full time job AND a second job in football, with no guarantee of work afterwards, or it shows they’re not ‘ambitious’ should be told to gft.

And btw every reason you’ve just given for Perth not already having a full time management job somewhere else applies to every perspective candidate for our job. If whoever it is is so good why aren’t they managing already? First question I’d be asking.

Equally el paso, stephen kenny had just been sacked by 4th placed rovers..
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Re: New Manager

Postby McGregor » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:25 pm

Also a FACT that he has a contract which will have to be honoured no matter what way things go, Absolutely no guarantees in football, something which everyone involved understands fully before signing.on. There was always a chance SK would be poached.
To say that people who believe the champions of ireland should have a manager with the relevant qualifications and experience don't deserve to offer an opinion on a forum is laughable. Btw the 500 hours is primarily logged coaching hours he does in Oriel.
Look if anyone has a desire to manage at the top level they know whats required and do it.
My main concern for VP is that he doesn't have experience of managing at this level in his career and to this point had shown no interest in doing so. Don't know how that applies to any other candidate, for our job , btw who says we cant tempt someone in a job

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Re: New Manager

Postby El Paso » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:32 pm

McGregor wrote:To say that people who believe the champions of ireland should have a manager with the relevant qualifications and experience don't deserve to offer an opinion on a forum is laughable.


That’s not the reason I didn’t think much of your opinion.

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Re: New Manager

Postby El Paso » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:50 pm

McGregor wrote:Absolutely no guarantees in football, something which everyone involved understands fully before signing on

My main concern for VP is that he doesn't have experience of managing at this level... and to this point had shown no interest in doing so.


It’s like looking at a join the dots picture being scribbled on.

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Re: New Manager

Postby dell1 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:01 am

We dont know what is happening or who will come in as manager. What we do know is that one of the strengths of the squad is the collectiveness they have and we hope that will continue. The easiest way to keep that camaraderie is for there to be some continuity eg VP still being involved. Whether that is as head coach under a DoF, as an assistant, who knows but I feel he is an essential key in the cog.
That he doesnt have his pro licence and to imply that that is a lack of ambition is grossly unfair! To expect him to have his top badges done at this stage considering the investment in time and money required is also unfair with the volitile nature of LoI. We are not 12 months yet under the ownership of Peak6 and VP only went fulltime coaching during the summer.
He could be the best manager we ever have, he could be the fall guy if we fall flat on our faces - one thing is for sure is that the squad respect him and will play for him. The tactical nous that come with experience can come from an external appointment but it is a balancing act imo.
Collie O'Neill has all his badges, highly regarded as a coach but isnt committed to throwing his lot entirely in to football, is that a lack of ambition. Vinny has committed himself entirely to football now and is playing catchup on badges albeit with a contract that should keep him at the club.

If Steve Staunton is appointed as manager or DoF then it is a publicity thing. As great a servant he was to the international side, there isnt the most ardent Harp swilling, Willow Grove, Dundalk fan that would be entirely comfortable with him taking the reigns in Oriel. He hasnt had much luck with the coaching career but he didnt make much of his own luck. If there was a former international to come on board then Cunningham, Carsley eg are names that have merit both coaching and PR for the club without the baggage.

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Re: New Manager

Postby ArFella » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:28 am

Johnnybegood33 wrote:No , Staunton has no experience in League of Ireland, we have Perth , Higgins , O Donnell , Gartland . Player manager route etc. Guys that have been around the success for last 5 years.


Johnny you've literally named 4 people who can't get the managers job for Dundalk due to being unqualified. I'm certainly not a fan of Staunton as a manager, but he can at least theoretically get the job...
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Re: New Manager

Postby Les's Fridge » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:14 am

I very much doubt the FAI will "do us any favours" by allowing Perth, O'Donnell, Higgins etc take the managers role without having the qualification necessary --it would make a mockery of their system!

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Re: New Manager

Postby DundalkChampions » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:36 pm

Les's Fridge wrote:I very much doubt the FAI will "do us any favours" by allowing Perth, O'Donnell, Higgins etc take the managers role without having the qualification necessary --it would make a mockery of their system!


They are a mockery

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Re: New Manager

Postby El Paso » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:53 pm

Drogs Tim Clancy doesn’t have a Pro Licence. Dave Robertson as DOF fulfils the requirement. Clancy shows no ambition you see. Says so on his linkedin.

Maybe we should get a young manager who did show ambition. Like Owen Heary.

Or a manager who has already achieved at the highest level. Like Paul Doolin.

Or a manager with experience in a number of countries. Like [checks list] Seán Connor.

Funny how no one has made a case for anyone on that list yet, except for Collie O’Neill who won’t take it. Not ambitious either. Unspecified foreign manager seems to be the height of it.

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Re: New Manager

Postby colymull » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:21 pm

Kevin Blackwell 2nd favourite at 13/5 with PP. Could it be him and Vinny?
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