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Re: 2021 season General thread

Post by Louth4sam » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:35 pm

niall_hearty2000 wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:07 pm
Louth4sam wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:14 pm
southerncomfort wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:08 pm perth commentating for newwstalk / the Leeds match.

on one hand , maybe he shouldn’t be and should be in the training ground .

on the other hand - it’s clear he knows his stuff - and while the anti vp heads ( some are in the media themselves and don’t like the competition ! ) have every justification to have the knives out

unless we have a top class replacement - the rebuild should include him - And he should be allowed to bring in a backroom staff
Perth has had his chance now and hasn't taken it. He has done absolutely nothing to earn a contract for next season. He never should have come back to this shit show and he has tarnished his reputation. I honestly believe he is a good manager and but for Hulsizer sticking his beak in we would be challenging for the league now.

However, he has to take responsibility for what is happening on the pitch. Perth claimed the club were backing him and everything was good behind the scenes. He is either dishonest or isn't up for the job at the moment. Either way I think we need to go a different direction next season.
I agree with you to a point. Firstly he is hardly gonna come out and say the club is fuxked from top to bottom. Nobody else wanted it so here I am again. Or that Bill hasnt a clue and has destroyed the foundations Kenny built from scratch. It would be totally unprofessional of Vinny to state any of this and also grounds for a 2nd P45.
In relation to what is happening on the pitch the players simply look disinterested and not up to it. Very hard to come in and change a mindset so entrenched in a side. And bar Sami and Yates (who aren't up to it either imho) , he didnt sign the majority of these players, and if he was here next season would resign very few of them. So it is hard to blame him for this mess. Priority is to stop leaking goals and losing games. Equally he offers very little guidance or motivation from the bench. For the most expensive squad ever assembled we are down to bare bones, of the 7 subs last night you knew there was nothing coming off the bench if required and of the 7, 2 were keepers. Do I think Vinny is the right man? No. But of all those to blame for this fiasco and shit show, Vinny is firmly at the bottom of the list. Equally at least Vinny knows what it takes to win the league here, and has a passion for the club that some foreign import won't. Can anyone name a suitable replacement crazy enough to take this farce on? The next managerial decision is even more important than the signing of an entirely new squad next season. To be honest the players should have enough pride to pay the tickets for every fan who went to Longford. They deserved better than they got for their time and money supporting the side yesterday. Also while you make your own luck, we are having none in front of either goal. But that is the reality of most clubs in a relegation battle, the luck deserts them when they need it most. If Pats hadn't hit the post in 2002 we would have stayed up! We should have been home and hosed before Longford scored last night, we weren't and got punished for it. If we had signed Talbot for example we would easily have a further 20 odd points and be in European position. We need as many fans at games now, supporting not abusing the players til the end of the season. Boo at end of game if you feel the need, but I'd rather support them..
Don't get me wrong Vinny is down the list of the blame game here but he had a transfer window to try and remedy things. He claims he was backed so surely he has to accept responsibility somewhat here. Three or four astute signings and we would be moving up the table.
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Re: 2021 season General thread

Post by Richie87 » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:47 pm

Not really. He has contract until the end of the season. He was backed to bring in a few free agent signings or loans and that was it. Not like Higgins at Derry paying 40k for Jamie McGonigle on a 3 year deal

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Re: 2021 season General thread

Post by Louth4sam » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:56 pm

magarnagle wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:50 am
Louth4sam wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:14 pm
southerncomfort wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:08 pm perth commentating for newwstalk / the Leeds match.

on one hand , maybe he shouldn’t be and should be in the training ground .

on the other hand - it’s clear he knows his stuff - and while the anti vp heads ( some are in the media themselves and don’t like the competition ! ) have every justification to have the knives out

unless we have a top class replacement - the rebuild should include him - And he should be allowed to bring in a backroom staff
Perth has had his chance now and hasn't taken it. He has done absolutely nothing to earn a contract for next season. He never should have come back to this shit show and he has tarnished his reputation. I honestly believe he is a good manager and but for Hulsizer sticking his beak in we would be challenging for the league now.

However, he has to take responsibility for what is happening on the pitch. Perth claimed the club were backing him and everything was good behind the scenes. He is either dishonest or isn't up for the job at the moment. Either way I think we need to go a different direction next season.
What direction do you think we should go? You say above that Perth would have us challenging for the league if not for Bill, would this not be the case for any manager that comes in though? If Bill is interfering when Perth is there, he is going to do the same for the next guy.

No doubt the results and performances in the league have been abysmal but if any manager is not given control to bring in his own players and people then what is the point? This isn't me advocating to keep VP but genuinely if we don't keep him who are we going to get? FG Mark II?
It's actually an impossible question to answer without knowing the status of the club next season. Are we in the first Division? Is the budget slashed. Will we will be fighting relegation? Will the funds be there to compete?

I just don't see how Perth fits in to any of those scenarios unfortunately especially if there is no change of ownership. Coming back was a horrendous decision for his career. I honestly don't know what he was thinking. Why not wait until the club stabilised a bit. He came back with the club in turmoil and took the tactic of circling the wagons and attacking fans and media whilst defending the owners and players. It has backfired majorly as the players haven't responded the way he thought and he has alienated a subset of fans along with some of the media.
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Re: 2021 season General thread

Post by Louth4sam » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:01 pm

Richie87 wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:47 pm Not really. He has contract until the end of the season. He was backed to bring in a few free agent signings or loans and that was it. Not like Higgins at Derry paying 40k for Jamie McGonigle on a 3 year deal
Why did he not bring more in, if he was backed like he says? Are you happy with the transfer window? Shields, Junior, Midskogen, Jesus, Dogan, Adedokan all out and only two players signed, Ben Amar and Yates.
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Re: 2021 season General thread

Post by Richie87 » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:33 pm

He might not have been happy with what was available as free agents. They wanted to bring in Barry Cotter but he opted for Shamrock Rovers. Maybe they offered a longer deal with more security.

A lot of those players that are free agents are there for a reason. Nathan Oduwa for exampl,e has been a free agent since January 1st. Bringing in players like that it would take them 7 or 8 games to get up to speed . There is only 10 or.11 league games and Cup

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Re: 2021 season General thread

Post by Richie87 » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:52 pm

If he has to use a few u19 players then so be it. They are at the club for a reason so it's there chance to impress.
Bringing in a load of lads who haven't a clue about the league as a quick fix ,not necessarily the answer.

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Re: 2021 season General thread

Post by Johnnybegood33 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:09 pm

Cmon the Town .👍

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Re: 2021 season General thread

Post by Martin Lawlor80 » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:25 pm

I’ve seen a lot of criticism of Vinny since the Longford game. No doubt that this is the darkest place we’ve been in for about 10 years but these are the times when we really need to stick together, back the team and trust the manager.
He’s been at a serious disadvantage since he came back as he doesn’t have an Assistant manager, something that a Summer League team would have! He must be one of the unluckiest managers when it comes to injuries and I won’t even mention the couple of refereeing howlers he’s had to watch . He’s inherited an awful squad for one reason or another and has to play the hand he’s been dealt .
If we can somehow stay up, let him build a decent squad with his own picks and back room staff and go for 3rd/4th place next year.
I hope we can get 1500 fans into Oriel on Friday week to back him and the players

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Post by dundalkfc1903 » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:10 pm

He surely knew the environment he was coming back into. He begged bill and matt for another go.

Vinny and Jim have never got along and don't even speak to each other. He has also allegedly pitched himself to matt for Jim's job.

It's a farcical situation and vinny is doing himself no favours by defending the owners who may get rid of him regardless.

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Re: 2021 season General thread

Post by Martin Lawlor80 » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:26 pm

dundalkfc1903 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:10 pm He surely knew the environment he was coming back into. He begged bill and matt for another go.

Vinny and Jim have never got along and don't even speak to each other. He has also allegedly pitched himself to matt for Jim's job.

It's a farcical situation and vinny is doing himself no favours by defending the owners who may get rid of him regardless.
He didn’t know fats, McMillan and Zahibo would have season ending injuries or that Leahy and Kelly would be crocked for 6 weeks.
He brings in a new Keeper, gives him time to bed in ( like Kenny always did) , plays him and then then even he gets injured. All I’m saying is that this is not the time to turn against him

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Re: 2021 season General thread

Post by dundalkfc1903 » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:42 pm

I would say that vinny and the team will be given tremendous vocal support for our next home game.

However, if there is no reaction from the players, no increase in effort and no improvement in performance then the tide will quickly turn. And vinny will get his fair share.

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Re: 2021 season General thread

Post by dundalkfc1903 » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:51 pm

Martin Lawlor80 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:26 pm
dundalkfc1903 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:10 pm He surely knew the environment he was coming back into. He begged bill and matt for another go.

Vinny and Jim have never got along and don't even speak to each other. He has also allegedly pitched himself to matt for Jim's job.

It's a farcical situation and vinny is doing himself no favours by defending the owners who may get rid of him regardless.
He didn’t know fats, McMillan and Zahibo would have season ending injuries or that Leahy and Kelly would be crocked for 6 weeks.
He brings in a new Keeper, gives him time to bed in ( like Kenny always did) , plays him and then then even he gets injured. All I’m saying is that this is not the time to turn against him
He had absolutely enough quality of player in his starting 11s to beat Drogheda, Waterford and Longford.

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Re: 2021 season General thread

Post by Richie87 » Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:16 pm

Martin Lawlor80 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:26 pm
dundalkfc1903 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:10 pm He surely knew the environment he was coming back into. He begged bill and matt for another go.

Vinny and Jim have never got along and don't even speak to each other. He has also allegedly pitched himself to matt for Jim's job.

It's a farcical situation and vinny is doing himself no favours by defending the owners who may get rid of him regardless.
He didn’t know fats, McMillan and Zahibo would have season ending injuries or that Leahy and Kelly would be crocked for 6 weeks.
He brings in a new Keeper, gives him time to bed in ( like Kenny always did) , plays him and then then even he gets injured. All I’m saying is that this is not the time to turn against him
Injuries happen, he didn't know but there is always a risk of a player getting injured. Dundalk obviously getting a lot , but thats a combination of things. A lot of games in short period due to European run..

Even in pre season, Dundalk had to call off a game against Derry because there was so many players injured. The S/C coach would have something to answer. The pitch at oriel also..
McMillan looking to be out for a while, but they let Junior go to Derry in July, he has scored a couple since he went there.

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Re: 2021 season General thread

Post by southerncomfort » Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:00 pm

dundalkfc1903 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:10 pm He surely knew the environment he was coming back into. He begged bill and matt for another go.

Vinny and Jim have never got along and don't even speak to each other. He has also allegedly pitched himself to matt for Jim's job.

It's a farcical situation and vinny is doing himself no favours by defending the owners who may get rid of him regardless.
All of the above is bull shit floated by anti vp head. ( not difficult to work out where the stuff comes from )
the same briefers give it to Dan and Jim - unverified codswallop - that’s spun into ‘all knowing’ destabilising articles and side speak

People with agendas give good off the record gossip.



my view is ( all levels ) are not likely to be there next year, and we’ll be the poorer for it .
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Re: 2021 season General thread

Post by dundalkfc1903 » Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:03 am

southerncomfort wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:00 pm
dundalkfc1903 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:10 pm He surely knew the environment he was coming back into. He begged bill and matt for another go.

Vinny and Jim have never got along and don't even speak to each other. He has also allegedly pitched himself to matt for Jim's job.

It's a farcical situation and vinny is doing himself no favours by defending the owners who may get rid of him regardless.
All of the above is bull shit floated by anti vp head. ( not difficult to work out where the stuff comes from )
the same briefers give it to Dan and Jim - unverified codswallop - that’s spun into ‘all knowing’ destabilising articles and side speak
It really isn't.

As for Jim being professional - how would we know - does he even exist? Bill makes all the decisions, which is quite clear from the last two interviews so Jims role is redundant.

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