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Re: Ex DLK players in UK & elsewhere

Postby niall_hearty2000 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:40 pm

oldfogey wrote:If I remember correctly Cliftonville got antsy over the playing of the National Anthem at the cup final in May. I respectful decline the opportunity to comment on the rights or wrongs of either side, but if you bring politics into sport, you have to accept the consequences. Some of our supporters did it with flags in the Champions League and the club paid a heavy price.

Totally agree oldfogey. No need to bring politics into sport. And equally cliftonville should have had the manners to respect the national anthem. Irrespective of their political views they ply their trade in the IFL which is in Northern Ireland and as such "God Save the Queen" is the recognised national anthem and they should have been dignified enough to respect it. Either that or if they feel strongly enough about it, withdraw from football in the North.


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Re: Ex DLK players in UK & elsewhere

Postby Ezeikial » Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:41 pm

oldfogey wrote:If I remember correctly Cliftonville got antsy over the playing of the National Anthem at the cup final in May. I respectful decline the opportunity to comment on the rights or wrongs of either side, but if you bring politics into sport, you have to accept the consequences. Some of our supporters did it with flags in the Champions League and the club paid a heavy price.


While I haven't read any comments from Roy Carroll explaining his actions, it seem likely that it was a reaction to Cliftonville's issue around the playing of God Save the Queen - you describe this as "the National Anthem" others would disagree with you.

I notice Garry Breen who moved on to Portadown from Dundalk and is now with Cliftonville has been fairly vocal on Twitter about Carroll - I'm not sure that it is wise for individual players to get into the middle of a difficult and controversial issue
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Re: Ex DLK players in UK & elsewhere

Postby oldfogey » Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:23 am

Ezeikial wrote:While I haven't read any comments from Roy Carroll explaining his actions, it seem likely that it was a reaction to Cliftonville's issue around the playing of God Save the Queen - you describe this as "the National Anthem" others would disagree with you.


I'm surprised you think there is even the remotest possibility of me having a nibble at that one!

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Re: Ex DLK players in UK & elsewhere

Postby Ezeikial » Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:18 am

oldfogey wrote:
Ezeikial wrote:While I haven't read any comments from Roy Carroll explaining his actions, it seem likely that it was a reaction to Cliftonville's issue around the playing of God Save the Queen - you describe this as "the National Anthem" others would disagree with you.


I'm surprised you think there is even the remotest possibility of me having a nibble at that one!



I'll try again later
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Re: Ex DLK players in UK & elsewhere

Postby transitvan74 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:37 am

niall_hearty2000 wrote:
oldfogey wrote:If I remember correctly Cliftonville got antsy over the playing of the National Anthem at the cup final in May. I respectful decline the opportunity to comment on the rights or wrongs of either side, but if you bring politics into sport, you have to accept the consequences. Some of our supporters did it with flags in the Champions League and the club paid a heavy price.

Totally agree oldfogey. No need to bring politics into sport. And equally cliftonville should have had the manners to respect the national anthem. Irrespective of their political views they ply their trade in the IFL which is in Northern Ireland and as such "God Save the Queen" is the recognised national anthem and they should have been dignified enough to respect it. Either that or if they feel strongly enough about it, withdraw from football in the North.

{ niall hearty are you for real you make it sound like cliftonville are only visitors in the top halve of our country ,they should respect the british national anthem ,cop the fcuk on ,thought a man ? that grew up along the imposed border in this country would know better ,you want people who choose to hold an irish passport ,who are probably more irish than me and you who has been tortured ,burned out of their homes harrased by british establishment over decades to roll over and die .the people who needed to hang their heads in the playing the british national anthem is the ifa bigots they knew well it was a sticky subject ,

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Re: Ex DLK players in UK & elsewhere

Postby Wexford White » Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:24 am

I disagree with the playing of any national anthem at any sporting event
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Re: Ex DLK players in UK & elsewhere

Postby dell1 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:02 pm

transitvan74 wrote:
niall_hearty2000 wrote:
oldfogey wrote:If I remember correctly Cliftonville got antsy over the playing of the National Anthem at the cup final in May. I respectful decline the opportunity to comment on the rights or wrongs of either side, but if you bring politics into sport, you have to accept the consequences. Some of our supporters did it with flags in the Champions League and the club paid a heavy price.

Totally agree oldfogey. No need to bring politics into sport. And equally cliftonville should have had the manners to respect the national anthem. Irrespective of their political views they ply their trade in the IFL which is in Northern Ireland and as such "God Save the Queen" is the recognised national anthem and they should have been dignified enough to respect it. Either that or if they feel strongly enough about it, withdraw from football in the North.

{ niall hearty are you for real you make it sound like cliftonville are only visitors in the top halve of our country ,they should respect the british national anthem ,cop the fcuk on ,thought a man ? that grew up along the imposed border in this country would know better ,you want people who choose to hold an irish passport ,who are probably more irish than me and you who has been tortured ,burned out of their homes harrased by british establishment over decades to roll over and die .the people who needed to hang their heads in the playing the british national anthem is the ifa bigots they knew well it was a sticky subject ,


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Re: Ex DLK players in UK & elsewhere

Postby Sneachta » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:57 pm

I believe NFL players are "taking a knee" in opposition to the American national anthem, in so much they feel it is not representative of everything they have been through since the civil rights movement in the 60s and before that.

Much the same can be said for the cliftonville stance. The presumptuous and condescending words of "God save the Queen", are not representative of their community.

By the by, "God save the Queen" was the original national anthem for all countries who adopted the tune for their nation, before separate lines and melodies were written.

Another by the by, Northern Ireland has no anthem, it is the English anthem, so I can see where cliftonville players are coming from, I wouldn't be (and can safely say everyone on this board) would not feel comfortable standing for an anthem that does not represent them. Similarly, Scotland has not got an "official" anthem, it's an old folk song adopted as the anthem and the Wales' anthem is an old air that was only officially used from 1975 onwards when they previously used to sing "Good save the prince of Wales" (Jesus wept).

So if Northern Ireland feels it really is a part of the UK and separate nation of it's own within the realm, then perhaps an all inclusive national anthem would better serve them to avoid such conflicts. Or just join the republic, and if they did we would certainly have to be open to a new anthem and flag.

I 100% agree, sport and politics should never mix, and national anthems at club events are pointless. But they invariably sport and politics do mix and have so since organised sporting events began to formally take place 150 or so years ago.

We can all agree Big Roy is a dose and is back on the sauce though. No?

I believe Mike you should be blamed for mentioning Roy Carroll's behaviour for setting off the misdirection of this thread

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Re: Ex DLK players in UK & elsewhere

Postby niall_hearty2000 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:03 pm

Sneachta England don't have a national anthem in their own right. The National anthem of Great Britain is God Save the Queen. At athletics events such as the commonwealth games the English athletes use "Jerusalem" and athletes from the North use "Danny Boy". And you say standing for an anthem that isn't theirs? At every international match there are 2 national anthems one of which isn't theirs. Should we roundly boo GSTQ? I think that shows a total lack of respect and etiquette. You might not like GSTQ, But you should show respect and stand for it.
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Re: Ex DLK players in UK & elsewhere

Postby Sneachta » Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:00 pm

Boo it? What? Why? No I wouldn't. Why would I? I am not suggesting it. In fact I'm suggesting the opposite etiquette that national anthems need not be played in order to separate politics from sport, the flag is plenty, the two continue however to be inextricably linked through muddied lines

Great Britain? A euphemism in its own right. It is in fact the national anthem of the UK. A different entity. The fact that England use it at all is testament that English see Britain as them and them only.

I also remember Welsh wearing t-shirts in croke park during our soccer match "Welsh not British".

Not being pedant about it but identity is a thing of great finitude. Quite apt for day considering Declan Rice's recent musings.

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Re: Ex DLK players in UK & elsewhere

Postby Duffman » Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:03 pm

Some posts deleted, personal abuse not on. Back to ex DFC players please!

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Re: Ex DLK players in UK & elsewhere

Postby El Paso » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:09 pm

Sneachta wrote:I believe NFL players are "taking a knee" in opposition to the American national anthem, in so much they feel it is not representative of everything they have been through since the civil rights movement in the 60s and before that.


They are explicitly not taking a knee ‘in opposition to the anthem’, they are protesting during the anthem to highlight police brutality and the killing of unarmed black people by police.

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Re: Ex DLK players in UK & elsewhere

Postby Robbiedundalk2 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:05 pm

Duffman wrote:Some posts deleted, personal abuse not on. Back to ex DFC players please!

Nothing like a political hand grenade to get everyone revved up for Rovers. Come on the town

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Re: Ex DLK players in UK & elsewhere

Postby oldfogey » Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:38 pm

Please sir, young Mr O' Connor played in that game. (meekly)

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Re: Ex DLK players in UK & elsewhere

Postby Martin Lawlor80 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:57 pm

dundalkfc1903 wrote:Any chance Andy Boyle could return next season? Completely fallen off the radar in England. Not that our defence requires much improvement, but Garts is getting on a bit and Folan will likely be tipping on. Plus, he is just pure class at LOI level.

I agree Boyle’s class but to be fair to Garts he’s *only* 31 and a fitness fanatic. He can play for us for at least another 5 yrs


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