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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Shoco » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:36 am

Pepsi wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:52 pm
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Maybe the feasibility studies that were claimed to have been done could be released. I hardly see what would be commercially sensitive about those.
2 problems with releasing them;
1. They may be already outdated as material, steel, labour prices etc. may have increased or decreased in the meantime.
2. Release something like that and you will have protests LOI wide. Peak6 are a billion dollar company....what is 15-20 million to them would be the question asked at every possible chance. May also turn some local fans against the club.

As I wrote here before, the owners group are not new to football, they own a direct share in Roma, one of their shareholders owns a share in Liverpool through FSG and they had Bourn... in their portfolio. Now looking at Liverpool, as they have American owners, I assume we will find out about any signings or ground developements when they have already been signed sealed and delivered just as is the case with FSG. We have to accept we are now owned by a professional company and not a local business man. Long gone are the days where the Avenue Inn was the press room of the club. Its all part of professionalising the company called Dundalk FC, attracting better sponsorship deals etc. etc.
Point 2 make absolutely no sense at all, I mean none at all!



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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Pepsi » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:40 pm

So if Peak6 come out and say there is a price for Oriel to be done up (€8 million).... or it would cost €25 million to build Oriel new......you really believe we wouldnt have fans crying Peak6 have the cash...or the press asking why they are not investing and building yesterday???

As it stands, with no price on the table and no info on club finances we have over various social media outlets fans requesting a new away end, a new stand, town end or whatever, clearly knowing what Peak6 said at their first public meeting in the YDC. Irish peoples sense of entitlement alone would have the press jump all over it, question it and make demands based on the fact that Matt is a billionare....... Some fans dont want to or seem to understand that Peak6 are trying to make the club self suffient, only when it is earning money will they invest in infrastructure, otherwise they risk having a project which is a bottomless pot and nothing to show for it.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by El Paso » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:02 pm

That's nonsense, frankly.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Shoco » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:02 pm

But sure people are already asking that question

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by El Paso » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:08 pm

You've gone from justifying the owners doing no work at all to Oriel, to now justifying the owners not even saying what the options are and what they'd cost. That has absolutely nothing to do with a desire to make Dundalk self-sufficient.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Pepsi » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:41 pm

Lets put it simple for El Paso....
1. The club as a business has to be self suffient....
2. Why should they tell us the options or the costs involved?? They have already said it will happen down the line and not in the near future.

By saying nothing they are raising no ones hopes and will not be in a position to explain shortfalls if mistakes are made along the way. It is very clear they have seen they need more income to be competitive, you only have to look at Treacys twitter to see he is shouting for it.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Shoco » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:02 pm

But what are these "LOI wide protests" about that you mentioned?

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Pepsi » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:13 pm

Shoco wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:02 pm
But what are these "LOI wide protests" about that you mentioned?
Away fans would never allow the club hear the end of it, let alone some of the clubs good weather fans, if they knew we could build a stand, terrace or new stadium for X amount with plans already drawn up. Attitude they have is...Peak6 are loaded and should be spending it all yesterday. If a price was put on it fans home and away would be all over it on social media and in some cases in Oriel.
Look at Mike Treacys twitter account, there is very seldom a post made about the LOI, TV money, streaming.....which isnt answered with provide better away end, build a ground.......how sh1te Oriel is.....mostly away fans

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by El Paso » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:25 pm

So they're razor sharp successful business men determined to make the club self-sufficient, but they're afraid to even discuss what the potential options are for Oriel Park and how any improvements could be funded in case away fans are mean to them on Twitter.

LMFAO here!

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by niall_hearty2000 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:53 pm

Lads we are beating ourselves up about this. Bottom line is that the ground redevelopment us way way way way down the list of priorities of our owners. If they do them it will be many yrs down the line and not on a whole scale. And let's be honest here, why the hell would they? Yes us poor suffering die hard fans deserve better than we currently have. Yes the away fans deserve better. Yes this fantastic era in our illustrious history deserves a lasting legacy off the pitch. But why should they do what other owners and board of directors have failed to do since the 60's?. Almost 60 yrs ago now.. for all his flaws and his critics of whom I was one, Gerry matthews was the only owner who improved things. But equally only for the players. Although he did put new windows in the stand and redesign and build the club shop and offices. Having said that if they could remove those bloody poles from the view in the stand I'll be eternally grateful!!
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Re: Ground Standards

Post by El Paso » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:35 pm

This argument isn't about redevelopment, it's about the people asking "why should Peak6 pay for it?" (fair question), going on to say that running a self-sufficient business includes not even telling us what's in the feasibility studies because there'd be *protests* up and down the land!

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by dundalkfc1903 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:09 pm

Why did they spend so much on the gym, the players still use felda for recovery sessions, to access the ice baths, and the pool.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Blackandwhite10 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:54 pm

Because there is no ice baths and pool in oriel. Duhhh lol

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Blackandwhite10 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:57 pm

If peak6 build a 10 million euro stadium ..when they leave the value of the club would be to huge to sell on ..who could afford it

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by El Paso » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:17 pm

Wtf are people talking about 10 million euro stadiums?! Pouring some fuckin concrete at the two ends and putting up cover would be a *massive* improvement all by itself.

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