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Kenny Shiels

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:31 pm
by bigalan
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45654907

Nice to see Kenny S planning for next season. Hopefully he will remain as Derry manager.

Although he's an absolute rocket of a man, there is a charm about him. The way he handled the Ryan McBride situation was very commendable and classy. He has a brutal honesty that is sure to get him into lots of trouble but I genuine believe that he believes in everything he says, no matter how off the wall it sounds. Characters like himself, Ollie Horgan and Stephen Henderson are good for our league. One thing that was very noticeable last night was that he held on after the full time whistle and our celebrations to embrace Stephen Kenny and offer his good wishes.

Re: Kenny Shiels

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:43 pm
by marmulade
Kenny is great entertainment, but his bosses at Derry (and the fans) care more about his teams' performances on the pitch, rather than his own sideline antics. The longer this season has gone on, the poorer the results. I'm not sure if the EA Sports Cup is enough to offset their league form.

The chairman has been pumping £300,000 a year into the club, and if they were to miss out on Europe, either the budget gets cut, or he increases that funding. Either way, the current setup seems unsustainable.

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Re: Kenny Shiels

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:52 pm
by Ezeikial
marmulade wrote:Kenny is great entertainment, but his bosses at Derry (and the fans) care more about his teams' performances on the pitch, rather than his own sideline antics. The longer this season has gone on, the poorer the results. I'm not sure if the EA Sports Cup is enough to offset their league form.

The chairman has been pumping £300,000 a year into the club, and if they were to miss out on Europe, either the budget gets cut, or he increases that funding. Either way, the current setup seems unsustainable.

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Great entertainment, but a nut case.

I can't see how Derry can persist with him

Re: Kenny Shiels

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:08 pm
by dell1
I'd call him eccentric rather than a nut case. Either way something has to give, he becomes more pragmatic in his choice of tactics ie playing it out from the back at all times with players that he himself would say lack experience, or Derry let him go. Its laudible that he wants to play football in a particular way but a young squad getting some bad drubbings more than a few times a season cant be good for their overall confidence which is important if you want to play the ball short and get players on the ball. When they do click though they are a nice team to watch, just far too brittle and defensively awful.

Re: Kenny Shiels

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:14 am
by Ezeikial
Eccentric is when he makes madcap post matches claims about the opposition or the referee, or when he expels Gerry Malone from a press conference (I think they are kindred spirits).

Nut case is when he persists with tactics that are making his team among the worst defensively or signs players who must be paid off in mid season, or who criticises his own players publicly.

Eccentric is interesting and entertaining, nut case is when he is harming his own club

Re: Kenny Shiels

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:48 pm
by dell1
The clubs must take some of the flack for the signing of players and then paying them off. Its all well and good giving a manager full control of his budget but if he is being reckless the club need to step in or are they nut cases too for letting him?

Re: Kenny Shiels

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:20 pm
by Ezeikial
dell1 wrote:The clubs must take some of the flack for the signing of players and then paying them off. Its all well and good giving a manager full control of his budget but if he is being reckless the club need to step in or are they nut cases too for letting him?


For clubs in the larger leagues having a Director of Football or Head of Recruitment who is responsible for identifying players to sign and conducting contract negotiations is fairly normal, but in this league that is unusual.

If Managers here tend to be given the freedom to sign the players they want within a budget, and as such must take responsibility for the success or failure of who they recruit.

In the case of Derry City the chairman is on record as saying that he intends to take a closer role in approving signings in the future - most observers regarded that as a vote of no-confidence in Kenny Shiels player signings