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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by Sneachta » Thu May 23, 2019 6:24 pm

Some tricky unseeded teams in there to avoid.

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by Ezeikial » Thu May 23, 2019 6:40 pm

seand wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 9:55 am
Ok, so we now know the Armenian champions willl definitely be unseeded, the only question is whether Ludogorets or CSKA win in Bulgaria. It should be Ludogorets, they're a point clear with one game left and a handy home game to come. That'd push Suduva into the non-seeds. So the non-seeds will be:
Malta - Valletta
Lithuania - Suduva
Bosnia - Sarajevo
Poland - Piast
Romania - Cluj
Hungary - Ferencváros
Estonia - Nõmme Kalju
Montenegro - Sutjeska
Albania - Partizani
Iceland - Valur
NI - Linfield
Faroes - HB
Latvia - Riga
Armenia - Pyunik/Ararat
Georgia - Saburtalo
Preliminary winners- Lincoln (Gibraltar), Santa Coloma (Andorra), Feronikeli (Kosovo), LaFiorita/Tre Penne (San Marino)
Lincoln from Gibraltar who drew with Celtic last year the most likely qualifier.
Clearly Piast of Poland are one to be avoided. Who are the other big ones to avoid from a footballing perspective?

Are Cluj of Romania, Ferencvaros of Hungary also in the top division of teams to avoid?
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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by Sneachta » Thu May 23, 2019 7:49 pm

Yes to both of those.

Travelling to Montenegro and Albania I would classify as very difficult also.

Logistically Sarajevo would be challenging (nothing like Belarus though) but a beautiful part of Europe.

Hopefully the European god's are good to us

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by El Paso » Thu May 23, 2019 9:03 pm

In order of preference in terms of both location and expected quality of opponents you would think:
1. Linfield
2. Any of the preliminaries except Kosovo
3. Latvia
4. Estonia
6. Lithuania
7. Faroes
8. Iceland
9. Sarajevo

Wouldn't fancy any of the others either logistically or as opponents

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by dieseldlk » Thu May 23, 2019 10:41 pm

Lincoln please. There are a few fans over here lol

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Fri May 24, 2019 11:26 am

Definitely Cluj and Piast to avoid. Not sure how strong Ferencvaros are these days, Hungarian clubs generally not great, but not a draw I'd want (Budapest though....!) Likewise Armenia.

My choices would be Linfield, HB, Nomme, Riga, qualifier, Valur, Suduva, Saburtalo, Valletta
I'd fancy our chances against Sarajevo, Sutjeska and Partizan but tough away legs

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by magarnagle » Fri May 24, 2019 2:27 pm

seand wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 11:26 am
Definitely Cluj and Piast to avoid. Not sure how strong Ferencvaros are these days, Hungarian clubs generally not great, but not a draw I'd want (Budapest though....!) Likewise Armenia.

My choices would be Linfield, HB, Nomme, Riga, qualifier, Valur, Suduva, Saburtalo, Valletta
I'd fancy our chances against Sarajevo, Sutjeska and Partizan but tough away legs
I work with a Hungarian lad and he thinks Ferencvaros are the ones to avoid overall. Serhiy Rebrov (ex West Ham, Spurs and Dynamo Kiev) is their manager these days (if that means anything). Avoid all 3 though would be the preference

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Tue May 28, 2019 2:14 pm

Ludogorets confirmed in Bulgaria, so it's Suduva in the non-seeds side of the draw. They've plenty of Euro experience over the last fwe years, and knocked Cypriot champions APOEL out of the CL last year (while we were getting humped by AEK)

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by Chrish » Tue May 28, 2019 2:52 pm

Been looking through it. Hopefully we get a good draw in the first round. Make it through that and we would most likely be looking at one of the below in the second round.

Winners of match involving Scotland Celtic CC: 31.000
Denmark Copenhagen CC: 31.000
Winners of match involving Belarus BATE Borisov CC: 27.500
Cyprus APOEL CC: 25.500
Winners of match involving Slovenia Maribor CC: 18.500

All tough ties but some are winnable. Round 2 could really be the crucial round. Win there and we are garunteed at least a playoff for group stages of europa

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Tue May 28, 2019 3:07 pm

Chrish wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 2:52 pm
Been looking through it. Hopefully we get a good draw in the first round. Make it through that and we would most likely be looking at one of the below in the second round.

Winners of match involving Scotland Celtic CC: 31.000
Denmark Copenhagen CC: 31.000
Winners of match involving Belarus BATE Borisov CC: 27.500
Cyprus APOEL CC: 25.500
Winners of match involving Slovenia Maribor CC: 18.500

All tough ties but some are winnable. Round 2 could really be the crucial round. Win there and we are garunteed at least a playoff for group stages of europa
There's no regionalisation in the second round so all opponents are equally likely. The draw will be made before the first round is complete so we already know who's in the draw. In fact I see the second round draw was done at the same time as the first round draw last season.
The unseeded "Winners of match involving Dundalk" will play one of these in round 2:
Copenhagen
Dinamo Zagreb
or the winners of the first round ties involving Celtic, BATE, Astana, Ludogorets, APOEL, Qarabag, Maribor or Red Star. No easy ties there. Really who would you fancy your chances against, even if we're in top form? Interesting to note that Maccabi and (winners of tie involving) Rosenborg will be among the non-seeds in round 2.
One of the big advantages of winning a round in the Champions League is that we'd drop into the third qualifying round of the Europa League and be semi-seeded there. So you could beat Riga, lose to Copenhagen, beat TNS and you're one match away from the groups.

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by oldfogey » Tue May 28, 2019 4:37 pm

The Europa League Champions Route (ELCR) has a very specific way of seeding teams/drawing ties. As draws are made before previous rounds are played, seeding assumes the coefficient of the stronger team in a pairing.

R2 All 16 teams knocked out in CL R1 are seeded, the 3 from the preliminary round are not. After the first 3 pairs are drawn, the remaining 13 seeded teams go into an open draw. 1 seeded team gets a bye to R3.

R3 The 10 losers from CL R2 are seeded. The 9 who progressed from EL CR R2 (+ 1 bye) are NOT. Straight draw.

R4 The 6 losers from CL R3 are seeded. The 10 who progressed from EL CR R3 are NOT. Teams are paired until the seeded side is exhausted, then the 4 remaining unseeded teams go into an open draw.

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by Chrish » Wed May 29, 2019 10:19 am

seand wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 3:07 pm
Chrish wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 2:52 pm
Been looking through it. Hopefully we get a good draw in the first round. Make it through that and we would most likely be looking at one of the below in the second round.

Winners of match involving Scotland Celtic CC: 31.000
Denmark Copenhagen CC: 31.000
Winners of match involving Belarus BATE Borisov CC: 27.500
Cyprus APOEL CC: 25.500
Winners of match involving Slovenia Maribor CC: 18.500

All tough ties but some are winnable. Round 2 could really be the crucial round. Win there and we are garunteed at least a playoff for group stages of europa
There's no regionalisation in the second round so all opponents are equally likely. The draw will be made before the first round is complete so we already know who's in the draw. In fact I see the second round draw was done at the same time as the first round draw last season.
The unseeded "Winners of match involving Dundalk" will play one of these in round 2:
Copenhagen
Dinamo Zagreb
or the winners of the first round ties involving Celtic, BATE, Astana, Ludogorets, APOEL, Qarabag, Maribor or Red Star. No easy ties there. Really who would you fancy your chances against, even if we're in top form? Interesting to note that Maccabi and (winners of tie involving) Rosenborg will be among the non-seeds in round 2.
One of the big advantages of winning a round in the Champions League is that we'd drop into the third qualifying round of the Europa League and be semi-seeded there. So you could beat Riga, lose to Copenhagen, beat TNS and you're one match away from the groups.
You sure? There was

Group 1
Seeded
Bulgaria Ludogorets Razgrad[†]
Kazakhstan Astana[†]
Azerbaijan Qarabağ[†]
Croatia Dinamo Zagreb
Sweden Malmö FF[†]

Unseeded
Midtjylland
Israel Hapoel Be'er Sheva[†]
Hungary MOL Vidi[†]
Albania Kukësi[†]
Romania CFR Cluj

Group 2 Seeded
Scotland Celtic[†]
Lithuania Sūduva Marijampolė[†]
Poland Legia Warsaw[†]
Belarus BATE Borisov
Moldova Sheriff Tiraspol[†]

Unseeded
Serbia Red Star Belgrade[†]
Norway Rosenborg[†]
Finland HJK[†]
North Macedonia Shkëndija[†]
Slovakia Spartak Trnava[†

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Wed May 29, 2019 12:55 pm

Good spot Chris, certainly looks to be broadly split East - West, and it was similar for the previous couple of seasons, i.e. the third qualifying round looks like it was vaguely regionalised. Good news, potentially.

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by oldfogey » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:59 pm

Just had another look at the full list of unseeded teams in Q1. 11 of the 16 are from behind what was the old Iron Curtain, the nearest being Poland. Only 4 - Iceland, Faroes, Malta, and Northern Ireland from "the West". Red Imps(Gibraltar) are top seeds in the preliminary round but those playoffs are being held in Pristina (Kosovo) so Feronikeli must have a chance. In short, it's likely there will be 2 Eastern European sides in our regional group - if we stay in the west. If we land in the other two groups it's likely to be very awkward travel wise.

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Re: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:36 am

oldfogey wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:59 pm
Just had another look at the full list of unseeded teams in Q1. 11 of the 16 are from behind what was the old Iron Curtain, the nearest being Poland. Only 4 - Iceland, Faroes, Malta, and Northern Ireland from "the West". Red Imps(Gibraltar) are top seeds in the preliminary round but those playoffs are being held in Pristina (Kosovo) so Feronikeli must have a chance. In short, it's likely there will be 2 Eastern European sides in our regional group - if we stay in the west. If we land in the other two groups it's likely to be very awkward travel wise.
Yeh, in recent seasons the regional grouping we've been in is sort of North/West rather than west, so the Baltics, Belarus and Poland are often grouped with Ireland, Iceland etc. The fact is most of western Europe skips the first round or two or three!

Top marks for referencing the Iron Curtain though OF, very retro! ;-)

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