2020-21 UEFA Champions League

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2020-21 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:08 am

Too early for a 2020 Champions League thread? IS IT FUKK!

Teams qualified so far
Number one ranked team in Europe 2020-21: Dundalk FC (Ireland) 8.500
2: KR (Iceland) 2.500

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%8 ... ons_League

Ok, so the format is pretty much identical to last season. 34 teams in the first qualifying round, we will be among the 17 seeds (or 32 / 16 if the CL winners qualify via their league). We will be definitely be ranked ahead of the champions of Iceland (KR Reykjavik), Albania, Armenia, Bosnia, Estonia, Faroes, Finland, Georgia, Gibraltar, Latvia (will be Riga again), Lithuania, Malta, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Wales, and the preliminary round winners (from Northern Ireland, Kosovo, Andorra or San Marino). We will almost certainly be ranked ahead of the Luxembourg and Slovakia champions. Apart from that it’s up in the air. In many countries there is only one team that would be ranked ahead of Dundalk (BATE, Astana, Malmo, Qarabag, Malmo, Maribor, Celtic, Legia, Ludogorets)- we want those teams to lose out.
For the second round we have a chance of being seeded. I'd say it's improbable, but possible. We’d need to be ranked in the top 10 of the teams starting in the first or second qualifying round, and we’ll probably need the CL winners to qualify via their own league too (as that would bump the Croatian champions straight into the third qualifying round). I reckon we’ll be ranked around 14th in the second round. It'll be interesting to watch the other summer leagues finish up. BATE might not win in Belarus, 5 points off top with a game in hand. Their trip to Dynamo Brest will be massive. Astana have a lot of work to do in an insanely competitive Kazakh league, Malmo are 50/50 in Sweden, all good news. And the bad news- Molde strong favourites now in Norway, Sheriff will win in Moldova, Qarabag are off to a flyer.
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Re: 2020-21 UEFA Champions League

Post by Ezeikial » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:20 am

seand wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:08 am
Too early for a 2020 Champions League thread? IS IT FUKK!

Teams qualified so far
Number one ranked team in Europe 2020-21: Dundalk FC (Ireland) 8.500
2: KR (Iceland) 2.500

More detail later, just had to get this thread up and running.
Brilliant!

Well done seand
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Re: 2020-21 UEFA Champions League

Post by holidaysong » Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:39 pm

Heard a podcast interview (Off The Ball League of Ireland Podcast) with Mike Treacy after the game where he said we'd underachieved in Europe this year, that the group stages was the goal.

I am not surprised by this being the goal at all, but I'm not sure if it had publicly said up until now from the ownership team that we'd underachieved in Europe this year in their view.

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Re: 2020-21 UEFA Champions League

Post by El Paso » Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:54 pm

Yep it was interesting, along with the ‘preparation starts now’ part. Sounded like they gave him a free shot to ‘learn’ but pressure is on next summer. Might be ruthless if we don’t at least make a play off round.

Tricky balancing act because it sounds like Europe is priority over League, and doing what we do in our League is no preparation for Europe.

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Re: 2020-21 UEFA Champions League

Post by holidaysong » Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:57 pm

Preparation starts now can only really mean recruitment from abroad to bring us to the next level.

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Re: 2020-21 UEFA Champions League

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Re: 2020-21 UEFA Champions League

Post by Ezeikial » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:34 pm

El Paso wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:54 pm
Yep it was interesting, along with the ‘preparation starts now’ part. Sounded like they gave him a free shot to ‘learn’ but pressure is on next summer. Might be ruthless if we don’t at least make a play off round.

Tricky balancing act because it sounds like Europe is priority over League, and doing what we do in our League is no preparation for Europe.
I didn't get any sense of additional pressure obviously being put on VP from what Mike Treacy said, but it's clear that the difference between preparation time starting now in September as opposed to starting last January is significant. If this extra preparation time means recruiting and investing in a higher calibre of player, the pressure may ratchet up allround to get a return on investment.

It's a difficult task and Andy Burton and Vinny Perth will have to work in close harmony to give it a realistic chance of working. It's interesting to hear him say Andy Burton has played a massive role behind the scenes - is that the first public acknowledgement of him by Mike Treacy?
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Re: 2020-21 UEFA Champions League

Post by Sneachta » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:51 pm

Wait... What.... Was it not confirmed as 100% truth on the Bible of online football forums, Oriel web, that Burton was gone?!?!?

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Re: 2020-21 UEFA Champions League

Post by Dillonman » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:01 pm

I would imagine we would rank lower than Luxembourg now they have had a number of good years in Europe with results and have a team in Europa league this year.
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Re: 2020-21 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:54 pm

Ireland ranks below Luxembourg, but Dundalk rank above all Luxembourg teams (unless Dudelange gain at least four coefficient points in the groups and go on to win their league- they have 2 pts in the bag after one game. Slovan need five coefficient points in the group to get ahead of Dundalk)

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Re: 2020-21 UEFA Champions League

Post by Ezeikial » Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:53 am

seand wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:54 pm
Ireland ranks below Luxembourg, but Dundalk rank above all Luxembourg teams (unless Dudelange gain at least four coefficient points in the groups and go on to win their league- they have 2 pts in the bag after one game. Slovan need five coefficient points in the group to get ahead of Dundalk)
C'mon seand, its nearly a month since your last update. Don't you know we have a voracious CL appetite that needs to be sated regularly?
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Re: 2020-21 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:01 pm

With international week just after we won the league there was little news, but now that you mention it we can welcome Sheriff (Moldova, seeded) and KuPS (Finland, unseeded) to the party. Looks like BATE will not win the league in Belarus- it's Dinamo Brest's to lose. And Sweden is utterly insane.... 2 games to play and 4 teams level on points!
To be honest I can't see any way we'll be seeded in the second round (it's not impossible but very unlikely)

Definitely seeded in first qualifying round
Moldova- Sheriff 12.750
Ireland- Dundalk 8.500

Ranked below Dundalk, seeding to be confirmed
Estonia- Flora 4.000
Latvia- Riga 3.500

Definitely unseeded in first qualifying round
Faroes- KI 2.750
Finland- KuPS 2.500
Iceland- KR 2.500
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Re: 2020-21 UEFA Champions League

Post by Sneachta » Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:52 pm

Will our coefficient be reset after next season? Or have i imagined that sorry of thing happens

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Re: 2020-21 UEFA Champions League

Post by seand » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:15 am

Sneachta wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:52 pm
Will our coefficient be reset after next season? Or have i imagined that sorry of thing happens

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It's a five year rolling total, so next year we lose the 1.00 points gained in 2015-16 and we'll gain min 1.50 to count towards our 2021-22 European campaign (if we qualify!). The following season might be something of a challenge as we'll lose the 3.00 gained in the 2016-17 Europa League adventure, but it shouldn't be a disaster- our coefficient isn't going to drop off a cliff. For context we earned 2.00 this year for reaching the third qualifying round of the EL. The key thing is to keep qualifying season after season, preferably for the Champions League! Look at the likes of TNS and Lincoln (Gibraltar) who have healthy coefficients and will probably be seeded in the first qualifying rounds because they keep qualifying and picking up points. Losing in the first qualifying round year after year is more valuable that making the groups once and not qualifying otherwise.

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Re: 2020-21 UEFA Champions League

Post by oldfogey » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:51 pm

seand wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:15 am
Sneachta wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:52 pm
Will our coefficient be reset after next season? Or have i imagined that sorry of thing happens

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It's a five year rolling total, so next year we lose the 1.00 points gained in 2015-16 and we'll gain min 1.50 to count towards our 2021-22 European campaign (if we qualify!). The following season might be something of a challenge as we'll lose the 3.00 gained in the 2016-17 Europa League adventure, but it shouldn't be a disaster- our coefficient isn't going to drop off a cliff. For context we earned 2.00 this year for reaching the third qualifying round of the EL. The key thing is to keep qualifying season after season, preferably for the Champions League! Look at the likes of TNS and Lincoln (Gibraltar) who have healthy coefficients and will probably be seeded in the first qualifying rounds because they keep qualifying and picking up points. Losing in the first qualifying round year after year is more valuable that making the groups once and not qualifying otherwise.
The big deal here is going to be the club points allocated to the new 3rd tier competition. It may be the same as the Europa League for continuity purposes. i.e the default amount for Champions League clubs is the same, it's just easier to get there. Currently, if you lose in CL QR2 you go into EL QR3 with a guaranteed 2 points. The new system means if you lose in EL QR3 you go to ELC (Conference) and 2.5 points, with 3 points if you get to group stages. It makes winning the league all the more critical as a success in any one qualifying round guarantees us 4 rounds.


UEFA Club Ranking
The most recent club ranking is used for seeding of clubs for draws in the Champions League and the Europa League. For the club ranking the match results in qualifying rounds do not count.
Since 2018 qualifying rounds and play-offs of the Champions League are no longer rewarded with points because all eliminated clubs get a second chance in the Europa League. Clubs who are eliminated in the first rounds of the Europa League are rewarded with a number of points based on the reached (qualifying) round:
Europa League
Pre 0.50
Q1 1.00
Q2 1.50
Q3 2.00
Q4 2.50
group stage 3.00 (minimum)

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