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Re: Official Takeover Thread

Post by Ezeikial » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:31 pm

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Spoke to Bill Hulsizer late last night. Dundalk chairman says his loan talks with FAI were on behalf of a wider group of US investors & discussions were tied in with interest in streaming rights for the league.
He claims ‘discussions are ongoing’
https://twitter.com/McDonnellDan/status ... 4578594826


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Re: Official Takeover Thread

Post by Sneachta » Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:42 pm

Its the main reason that drew the ire of kelleher of pat's am I right in saying that? The offer was made to the FAI as a "loan", to get the league going, but they refused. Its all about power, but I would think a conflict of interests surely?

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Re: Official Takeover Thread

Post by El Paso » Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:46 pm

Seems to be what Kelleher was talking about. Hullsizer appears to be keeping the other clubs informed.

I don't see why it's a conflict of interest except for the dumber conspiracy theories.

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Re: Official Takeover Thread

Post by Pepsi » Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:53 pm

The way I see this lads is, Peak6 have offered the FAI enough chances to get out of jail. They have offered to buy part of the Aviva, tried to loan money in return for streaming rights which of course would have exposed the LOI as a brand as the rights would be used to stream games. The FAI has not changed one bit....still a pack of ignorant self serving blazers with agendas.

Too many LOI chairmen are friends with the old FAI brigade and are more than likely blocking change to ensure their own clubs interests are served.

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Re: Official Takeover Thread

Post by Sneachta » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:01 pm

It beggars belief though. The "interests" of their own clubs is an absolute falacy I think. It would be in the interest of their clubs, their own power hungry mindsets and grabbing deep pockets for them to take this financial package, otherwise, long term, the league will return to amateur, remain small time and we'll be sending teams from the Meath and district league to play in Europe.

What is Niall Quinn actually doing?

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Re: Official Takeover Thread

Post by Sneachta » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:04 pm

Another speculation here, and this is just me, does bill/American investors/peak6 have the clout to push for a breakaway league? Would uefa accept this league for euro qualification? This is just me discussing

Will they be able to bring other clubs along? Look at the disaster unfolding at Waterford!!

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Post by Pepsi » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:11 pm

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It beggars belief though. The "interests" of their own clubs is an absolute falacy I think. It would be in the interest of their clubs, their own power hungry mindsets and grabbing deep pockets for them to take this financial package, otherwise, long term, the league will return to amateur, remain small time and we'll be sending teams from the Meath and district league to play in Europe.

What is Niall Quinn actually doing?

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The problem is that many of the people blocking are in it for their own power hungry interests. Add to that...Rovers chairman, who is on record as being very good friends with JD, Conway and FF councilors, going in and out of Abbotstown on a regular basis......then you know why they do not want Peak6 money. Wouldnt do if Peak6 could get an American style setup into the LOI and maybe get government support that is centrally distributed or a TV deal that would mean other clubs have more. That would mean a 10k stadium in Tallaght might not be seen as priority number 1 and the €7 odd million might be invested in Dundalk, Waterford, Galway or Sligo...or a club outside Dublin might become attractive to other investors or young players and ruin Rovers model. LOI as a whole is too self centred in all that happens.

As I have said and will say again....DFC are missing a major lobby at government level, someone to speak out very loud in support of the club and its achievments.

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Re: Official Takeover Thread

Post by oldfogey » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:04 am

Sneachta wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:04 pm
Another speculation here, and this is just me, does bill/American investors/peak6 have the clout to push for a breakaway league? Would uefa accept this league for euro qualification? This is just me discussing

Will they be able to bring other clubs along? Look at the disaster unfolding at Waterford!!

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Submitting clubs for participation in Europe is down to the respective national associations in each country. As we have seen in England and Scotland, the clubs chose to run their own leagues, albeit still under the general umbrella of the FA and SFA. The association is responsible for dishing out UEFA participation licences as in the Waterford - John Delaney fiasco. But it's only ever about (TV)money. If a decent SUSTAINABLE (I.e. long term) model was available they would be gone like a shot. The underlying problem we have is that GAA is the biggest participation and spectator sport in this country - and it's amateur. 80,000 cram into Croke Park in September twice (+ replays $$$$) each year, enabling the GAA to dole out huge amounts for development at all levels. **** Can you imagine what it would take to bring 10/12 club grounds anywhere close to the standard in Tallaght? Same applies behind the scenes although we are probably the leaders there. Don't get me wrong I want this to happen but it's not even a question of FAI unable to give us anything. The "Payday Loans" they have taken out means that the only unfettered future income is club European prize money. I stand to be corrected but I think the national side doesn't even have a shirt sponsor anymore.

***EDIT: I lost the run of myself in the middle of that paragraph. The point I wanted to make was that LOI Clubs need gate money to field a team every week. Apart from expenses and other "Miscellaneous" costs, gate & TV money within the GAA goes to the clubs, counties, and Central Council for infrastructure and development. The GAA talked about being €50M short on income in 2020, and there's nothing international in that. Imagine if we had even 10% of that money.
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Re: Official Takeover Thread

Post by Sneachta » Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:41 am

I forgot all about the shirt sponsor oldfogey. They pulled the plug round the Delaney revelations. Unless they reinstated after his leaving?

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Re: Official Takeover Thread

Post by El Paso » Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:07 pm

Sligo Rovers raised over 50K in two days through their gofundme. That's sensational.

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Re: Official Takeover Thread

Post by Pepsi » Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:16 pm

El Paso wrote:
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Sligo Rovers raised over 50K in two days. That's sensational.
Unreal support and it is not a one off.

Takes a bit of the shine off our own membership scheme....242 signed up as we speak. Lets say from the €15, €12 makes it to the club after fees etc., that is only €34,848 per year and fans are getting something for their money in comparison. Even if the club were getting the full €15 we still wouldnt match the gofundme from Sligo.

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Re: Official Takeover Thread

Post by Sneachta » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:26 pm

The other argument is that membership scheme is a steady (ish) stream of cash. Could Sligo, in another 6 months, raise another 50k? Maybe they could which would be highly impressive.


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Re: Official Takeover Thread

Post by Ezeikial » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:35 pm

Sneachta wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:26 pm
The other argument is that membership scheme is a steady (ish) stream of cash. Could Sligo, in another 6 months, raise another 50k? Maybe they could which would be highly impressive.


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Re: Official Takeover Thread

Post by paul1 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:07 pm

See the Americans other club Fc Helsingor which they took over roughly the same time as us ,has today gained promotion to Denmark’s second division, they were in the same division as Niclas Vemmulunds club Middlefart...

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Re: Official Takeover Thread

Post by Ezeikial » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:29 pm

paul1 wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:07 pm
See the Americans other club Fc Helsingor which they took over roughly the same time as us ,has today gained promotion to Denmark’s second division, they were in the same division as Niclas Vemmulunds club Middlefart...
Are Peak6 involved in FC Helsingor? Is Jordan Gardner still a shareholder here or are there any others who have a stake in both clubs?
A US investment group has completed the takeover of Danish second-tier club FC Helsingor, with the aim of using it as a place to develop the next generation of American talent.

The group is led by Jordan Gardner, a minority investor in Swansea City and Irish club Dundalk FC. The consortium also includes four other businessmen who have ties with football in the United States and overseas.
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