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Re: Ground Standards

Post by mike » Fri Apr 02, 2021 3:22 pm

I was on about the April fools on the DFC fan winning the lotto.

Of more concern, has anyone else hear of the poor maintenance of main pitch and the what looks like week to week arrangement with Quay (hopefully I'm wrong on that part), for away games training?

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Pepsi » Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:01 pm

mike wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 3:22 pm I was on about the April fools on the DFC fan winning the lotto.

Of more concern, has anyone else hear of the poor maintenance of main pitch and the what looks like week to week arrangement with Quay (hopefully I'm wrong on that part), for away games training?
Could it be a case that the Grammar School have terminated the agreement for use of the pitches behind Oriel.....getting ready to build on them maybe?? Will certainly be interesting to see what the club do, because Oriel is not big enough for first team and academy training facilities.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Peak11 » Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:25 pm

mike wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 3:22 pm I was on about the April fools on the DFC fan winning the lotto.

Of more concern, has anyone else hear of the poor maintenance of main pitch and the what looks like week to week arrangement with Quay (hopefully I'm wrong on that part), for away games training?
Could be that they decided that throwing a few bob at Quay who can use it to maintain their ground is better than trying to maintain the grass areas behind Oriel themselves. Outsourcing.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by mike » Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:01 pm

Heard that the grammar might be building something there alright.

I'd have no problems with the arrangement with Quay Celtic, it looks a carpet and good to have a relationship with a local club, I just hope there is at least a season agreement.

Will be very interested to see the condition of oriel pitch for the Pats game on the 17th.

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Re: Ground Standards

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Peak11 » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:28 pm

It's a good point about sterile modern stadiums. I haven't been to that many but for example the Aviva is a pretty horrible stadium to actually watch a game. But Dalymount aside, it's not really a binary choice between millions or tens of millions on steel, glass, offices, meeting rooms, corporate boxes and whatever, and doing nothing at all.

There's no good reason why smart design, grants, fund raising and a little bit of effort on the part of certain people couldn't keep Oriel 'Oriel', and still turn it into a tidy little ground that's a perfectly decent, attractive place to visit and watch a game of ball in comfort with your family and friends. Not perfect, but it doesn't have to be.

There are lots of stupid reasons for pretending nothing can be done, most of which have been bashed out here at length by certain people whose motivations are a mystery. The sort of people who would have insisted everyone had to keep shitting in buckets in the back yard 80 years ago when people dared aspire to indoor plumbing.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by colymull » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:13 pm

I agree with you about the Aviva, it's an awful stadium. It pains me to say it, but Tallaght is the perfect stadium for LOI standards. Big enough for the average LOI crowd and a decent view from anywhere in the ground. (I haven't been in the stand behind the goals so I cant comment on that view)

If I was to win the Euro millions, i would bulldoze Oriel and build an equivalent of Tallaght. Stick the Sing Li van in somewhere, have Mickey Duffy on the PA, and with the smell of Colombian Gold in the air, it would still feel like the old Oriel!!!

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Louth4sam » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:36 pm

colymull wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:13 pm If I was to win the Euro millions, i would bulldoze Oriel and build an equivalent of Tallaght. Stick the Sing Li van in somewhere, have Mickey Duffy on the PA, and with the smell of Colombian Gold in the air, it would still feel like the old Oriel!!!
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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Louth4sam » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:40 pm

Peak11 wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:28 pm
It's a good point about sterile modern stadiums. I haven't been to that many but for example the Aviva is a pretty horrible stadium to actually watch a game. But Dalymount aside, it's not really a binary choice between millions or tens of millions on steel, glass, offices, meeting rooms, corporate boxes and whatever, and doing nothing at all.

There's no good reason why smart design, grants, fund raising and a little bit of effort on the part of certain people couldn't keep Oriel 'Oriel', and still turn it into a tidy little ground that's a perfectly decent, attractive place to visit and watch a game of ball in comfort with your family and friends. Not perfect, but it doesn't have to be.

There are lots of stupid reasons for pretending nothing can be done, most of which have been bashed out here at length by certain people whose motivations are a mystery. The sort of people who would have insisted everyone had to keep shitting in buckets in the back yard 80 years ago when people dared aspire to indoor plumbing.
It would be a monumental challenge to get Oriel up to a level we could play group European matches at. The best I think we could hope for would be a Turners cross standard stadium unless there is some serious outside the box thinking and spending a lot more than we would in a Greenfield site.

It depends what we aspire to but either would have us in a far better position than we are now
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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Peak11 » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:57 pm

Category 3 is unrealistic without major backing from somewhere that isn’t our owners. But decent cover, a decent view, and a reason to stay longer than 90 minutes and socialise is perfectly achievable.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by mike » Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:55 pm

We need to get it up to PD league standard first !

Its almost as if the only thing that will see any upgrade is if we are forced to, like the LOI having a min requirement of 3k covered seats, which they should have to be honest.

Once FH get theirs up and running, and if Drogs do get their built, we will drop to the worst ground if all are in the PD.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by niall_hearty2000 » Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:56 pm

I was watching the ré run of the 2014 last match title decider v Cork on Facebook last night, and even if we erected the temporary stand we had behind the Carrick road end that night. If we could erect one permanently behind both goals it would be a start. OK no protection from the elements, but a view of the entire pitch from a seat. It's a start. Wouldn't cost the earth. Even for that one night Oriel looked like a half decent loi stadium. Not sure if health and safety guidelines permit a permanent "temporary" structure, but if they do, we should definitely look into it. But I don't think the ambition for this is within the owners remit alas.
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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Peak11 » Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:16 pm

A basic seated stand with access to the front and to the Shed is feasible at the town end. There’s easily enough room. The current seats inside the gate with the non existent views could be removed and flattened and that area inside the gate become an open concourse for catering vans, maybe a mobile bar, and a better toilet block. That gives somewhere for the people in the Shed to go without the long trek around to the main bar.

The existing away terrace and the huge quantity of muck behind it could all be flattened and the bar redone and extended to include a beer garden. Look at an aerial view of Oriel to see how much land is being wasted there.

At the Carrick Road end minimal seating (four blocks of 30, five or six rows deep) with rear access could facilitate up to 600 away fans without affecting the roadway requirements for the YDC away from game time.

Instantly the view improves, the comfort improves, and the look of the place improves. There’s plenty can be done for not big money that would pay for itself in a few years. Especially if they did the right job with the bar. The main obstacle is that not being able to build a copy of White Hart Lane is being used as an excuse for doing nothing at all. Our owners have never even applied for a sports grant.
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Re: Ground Standards

Post by mike » Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:51 pm

Some great suggestions there guys, P11, I like that idea, flatten the away end, and build a beer garden / smoking area, or have bbq style tables for post covid times and do food if there is any ambition.

Niall, also good shout on the Cork game, final match 2014, that temp stand remember was also up same season for the LC final v Rovers in Sept. It made Oriel look like a 'proper' ground. The advertising hoardings looked so much more professional too with the background. St Pats have pretty much the exact same structure behind the inchicore end. We could easily install this, carrick road end, still would be space for cars etc to pass it.

Install a bigger one home end, and a scaled down version carrick road end for away fans. I find as long as its a decent view, and comfortable, folk won't give out about a lack of roof, examples Pats, Longford, now its of course better to have a roof, but one thing at a time.

One thing is certain, the current away end, should be demolished, and now we have a good reason for it, beer garden for LW lounge, revenue stream.

EDIT: The other thing that annoys me from fans saying we shouldn't upgrade away end, as its 'only for away fans', we get 500+ Rovers fans, not far off Bohs, Pats around 300, Drogs maybe 400 depending how they are doing, the avg take from these 4 examples is 4k just for opening a door, and look what we offer them ? Treaty United albeit playing in locally owned Markets Field have a better away end that we have !

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by dundalkfc1903 » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:52 am

I see the 'Win a house' draw netted Louth GAA €1.2m , the proceeds going to the new stadium project.

24,000 tickets were sold at €100 each.

Would there be appetite for something similar for Dundalk FC/League of Ireland.

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