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Post by Ezeikial » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:28 pm

seand wrote:Benson certainly contributed in 2016. But, assuming we can keep the show on the road and continue to dominate domestically, this is the big dilemma. It's not that to financially dominate the league and pick and choose our squad (certainly from outside the top 3), but it's such a massive step up to compile a squad that's going to compete like-for-like with AEK or Rosenborg or Dinamo Zagreb that you have to question whether it's worth the investment. You could quadruple the playing budget then one bad performance and one tough draw and you're out of Europe anyway.
Based on CRO returns John O'Connor reports our wage bill from 2017 as being €1,8m
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It's hard to see that a tripling or quadrupling of that would be a smart investment.

On the other hand it must be clear from the Larnaca drubbing that we need more quality and depth in the squad to give us a fighting chance of replicating the 2016 group qualification.


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Post by oldfogey » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:14 pm

Ezeikial wrote:
seand wrote:Benson certainly contributed in 2016. But, assuming we can keep the show on the road and continue to dominate domestically, this is the big dilemma. It's not that to financially dominate the league and pick and choose our squad (certainly from outside the top 3), but it's such a massive step up to compile a squad that's going to compete like-for-like with AEK or Rosenborg or Dinamo Zagreb that you have to question whether it's worth the investment. You could quadruple the playing budget then one bad performance and one tough draw and you're out of Europe anyway.
Based on CRO returns John O'Connor reports our wage bill from 2017 as being €1,8m
https://leagueofirelandfinance.blogspot.com/

It's hard to see that a tripling or quadrupling of that would be a smart investment.

On the other hand it must be clear from the Larnaca drubbing that we need more quality and depth in the squad to give us a fighting chance of replicating the 2016 group qualification.
The critical thing to remember about increasing the wage bill is the Salary Cost Protocol.

The basic rule if that the total cost of players and management should not exceed 65% of the clubs income. If the current budget position is break-even (and assuming the SCP is already at 65%) the owners would need to generate (or put in themselves) €1M, to allow for €and extra €650k in wages.

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Post by Ezeikial » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:37 pm

oldfogey wrote:
Ezeikial wrote:
seand wrote:Benson certainly contributed in 2016. But, assuming we can keep the show on the road and continue to dominate domestically, this is the big dilemma. It's not that to financially dominate the league and pick and choose our squad (certainly from outside the top 3), but it's such a massive step up to compile a squad that's going to compete like-for-like with AEK or Rosenborg or Dinamo Zagreb that you have to question whether it's worth the investment. You could quadruple the playing budget then one bad performance and one tough draw and you're out of Europe anyway.
Based on CRO returns John O'Connor reports our wage bill from 2017 as being €1,8m
https://leagueofirelandfinance.blogspot.com/

It's hard to see that a tripling or quadrupling of that would be a smart investment.

On the other hand it must be clear from the Larnaca drubbing that we need more quality and depth in the squad to give us a fighting chance of replicating the 2016 group qualification.
The critical thing to remember about increasing the wage bill is the Salary Cost Protocol.

The basic rule if that the total cost of players and management should not exceed 65% of the clubs income. If the current budget position is break-even (and assuming the SCP is already at 65%) the owners would need to generate (or put in themselves) €1M, to allow for €and extra €650k in wages.
SCP obviously influences decisions around budgets, but the starting point is willingness.

Obviously a quadrupling of the budget would not be feasible from several perspectives, not least of which is SCP.

The general point is that if the stated aim of the owners is European Group Stages, it is hardly likely to happen without some level of additional investment. It is not an all or nothing scenario - extra €4m to €5m or no extra investment.

The rest of the transfer window will tell a lot about Peak6 willingness and intentions
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Post by thecaptain » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:00 pm

Ezeikial wrote:Captain - unless Andy Boyle became available why add a centre half when we already have four specialist CB's plus Dane Massey?

I think we need 2 quality additions for 6 & 8 as a priority
Only thought of Garts, Cleary & Hoare, I completely forgot about Folan to be honest! Bar Boyle being available as you said, CB would be my lowest priority and definitely a starting 6 or 8 to go with Shields and Benson for the starting midfield 3 and then a backup are top of the list for me depending on how Chvedukas gets on, he missed pretty much the whole of last season with that ankle problem.
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Post by Chrish » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:19 pm

We don't play with a midfield 3 though. We play with 2 and either McEleney or McGrath in the 10 role.

Midfielder is definitely needed though which will be to compete with Benson

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Post by El Paso » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:33 pm

It will be interesting to see if we stick with 4-2-3-1. I wouldn’t be surprised to see us go 4-3-3. We had a very dysfunctional midfield for long stretches last season and you’d hope that was noticed. I like Benson but not in a two. Leaves Shields with far too much ground to cover and we were nearly exposed a number of times until the Larnaca thrashing. Can’t play European games with that midfield.

I was against building a bigger squad under Kenny. Certainly having two dedicated right backs, for example, with a manager that didn’t rotate seemed pointless. But again maybe Perth will tweak that. I think looking to make good loan moves is the smart move for us.

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Post by marmulade » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:09 pm

The Champions League route does potentially make things a little easier, and also offers quite a bit more cash. Presuming we ease past a first round opponent of negligible quality, a favourable draw in the second round where we might catch a seeded team on an off-day is a possibility. Beyond that, and we can really start dreaming.

In terms of the first XI, I'm not too worried. Shields, Benson, and McEleney were excellent in the cup final, and I'm still excited by the prospect of McEleney playing deeper beside Shields. In general, I don't think that the squad is far off the 2016 vintage.

The question is whether there's enough depth beyond that. Kelly might or might not impress, and I have no idea whether Chevedukas will deliver. I think the biggest opportunity for improvement is at right midfield. McGrath can do a job but is unspectacular there. Mountney is slightly better, but has persistent injury issues. With Connolly gone, there's room for somebody to nail down the position, but right now, I don't know who is favorite to do that.

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Post by Martin Lawlor80 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:54 pm

marmulade wrote:The Champions League route does potentially make things a little easier, and also offers quite a bit more cash. Presuming we ease past a first round opponent of negligible quality, a favourable draw in the second round where we might catch a seeded team on an off-day is a possibility. Beyond that, and we can really start dreaming.

In terms of the first XI, I'm not too worried. Shields, Benson, and McEleney were excellent in the cup final, and I'm still excited by the prospect of McEleney playing deeper beside Shields. In general, I don't think that the squad is far off the 2016 vintage.

The question is whether there's enough depth beyond that. Kelly might or might not impress, and I have no idea whether Chevedukas will deliver. I think the biggest opportunity for improvement is at right midfield. McGrath can do a job but is unspectacular there. Mountney is slightly better, but has persistent injury issues. With Connolly gone, there's room for somebody to nail down the position, but right now, I don't know who is favorite to do that.

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we’ve signed Dan Kelly for that position

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Post by mike » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:03 pm

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mike wrote:I still think we need another defender and possibly a right full. Hoare can play there but Gannon has no natural competitor for his position compared to the two left backs we have.

Definitely need at least one more MF man. I think we are ok up front for now but Murray’s position being a non10 / striker will prob need to be looked at, maybe in the summer. Hopefully Georgie Kelly can have a big impact this season.

The big question this season is if Chevedukas will deliver. He has the talent. We need him to be fully fit and ‘at it’ from the start.
Hoare got player of the month playing right back. He's more than capable of playing there and performing well domestically
That removes him from a first choice option for the middle though, he did have an excellent month playing there, (April I think ?) but I much prefer players concentrating in their own positions, I still think we need another defender. Fair point made a few posts back on Cyprus, he was all over the shop. I still think the other side was a very poor selection that night, Massey was coming back from injury but had more experience in Europe than Jarvis, anyway split milk now.

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Post by mike » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:13 pm

Chrish wrote:We don't play with a midfield 3 though. We play with 2 and either McEleney or McGrath in the 10 role.

Midfielder is definitely needed though which will be to compete with Benson
Real shame McEneff wasn't secured, would have added the perfect addition to our MF and to challenge Benson, worse he spoke to us before Rovers. That was a bad miss by us.

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Post by marmulade » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:18 pm

mike wrote:
Chrish wrote:We don't play with a midfield 3 though. We play with 2 and either McEleney or McGrath in the 10 role.

Midfielder is definitely needed though which will be to compete with Benson
Real shame McEneff wasn't secured, would have added the perfect addition to our MF and to challenge Benson, worse he spoke to us before Rovers. That was a bad miss by us.
I may be proven wrong, but I don't think McEneff is really good enough. He had a purple patch around April last year, but was very, very average after that. Clearly, there were some problems at Derry, but I wasn't overly impressed with him.

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Post by Ezeikial » Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:37 am

VP leaves little room for further speculation on Chris Forrester or Andy Boyle.

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Vinny Perth's reaction to rumours Dundalk are looking to sign Chris Forrester and Andy Boyle. Full story in this week's Argus
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Post by Chrish » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:06 am

mike wrote:
Chrish wrote:We don't play with a midfield 3 though. We play with 2 and either McEleney or McGrath in the 10 role.

Midfielder is definitely needed though which will be to compete with Benson
Real shame McEneff wasn't secured, would have added the perfect addition to our MF and to challenge Benson, worse he spoke to us before Rovers. That was a bad miss by us.
I think the real shame was watts last year rather than McEneff,

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Post by Ezeikial » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:34 am

Chrish wrote:
mike wrote:
Chrish wrote:We don't play with a midfield 3 though. We play with 2 and either McEleney or McGrath in the 10 role.

Midfielder is definitely needed though which will be to compete with Benson
Real shame McEneff wasn't secured, would have added the perfect addition to our MF and to challenge Benson, worse he spoke to us before Rovers. That was a bad miss by us.
I think the real shame was watts last year rather than McEneff,
Both of them are fine players - with McEneff in the PFAI team of the season in 2017 - and either player would improve our squad as it stands.

I suspect that Watts would have been the more likely of the two to actually improve our team.

It's obviously a moot point at this stage - although Benson would benefit from strong competition rather than just cover in his position
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Post by Ezeikial » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:35 pm

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Vinny Perth on additions to his squad: “I’m probably a week to 10 days away from signing anybody. Our target market is guys out of Scotland, England and Scandinavia at the moment and we have loads of options in that area but they have to be right and fit into what we do.”

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