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Post by Louth4sam » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:22 pm

niall_hearty2000 wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:36 pm Bob give it a rest people are sick to the back teeth of ur one vision which is anti peak 6 anti everything that doesnt suit your agenda. If you think you can do better put your money down. We are winning games again, we have got through the first round of europe, yet still all you wanna do is complain and see the negatives. You say we are driven off the road. Well we were certainly off the road during all those years we spent in the first division
If Peak6 pull the plug at the end of the season and we are four or five million in debt, where do we from from there?

I'd rather be in the first division with an opportunity of regrouping and rebuilding than having no club at all.
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Post by Richie87 » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:31 pm

How did Bill turn things around? Fair play to Filippo he did do a good job in getting Europe,but it wasn't an extraordinary achievement giving it was 1 legged ties against poor enough opposition. The Cup win was a very good win no doubt.
Fillipo overlooked the league when signing players and that decision led to a poor start to the season.

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Post by Pepsi » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:53 pm

Louth4sam wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:22 pm
niall_hearty2000 wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:36 pm Bob give it a rest people are sick to the back teeth of ur one vision which is anti peak 6 anti everything that doesnt suit your agenda. If you think you can do better put your money down. We are winning games again, we have got through the first round of europe, yet still all you wanna do is complain and see the negatives. You say we are driven off the road. Well we were certainly off the road during all those years we spent in the first division
If Peak6 pull the plug at the end of the season and we are four or five million in debt, where do we from from there?[/b]

I'd rather be in the first division with an opportunity of regrouping and rebuilding than having no club at all.
We owe Peak6 the money, not banks or anyone else. So they have 2-3 options if they want out at the end of the season ....
1. They take the hit and leave us debt free or with minimal bank debt. No serious bank will take on that type of debt from a LOI without an underwriter under current circumstances.
2. They sell the club and the debts with it to new owners.
3. They keep going and try to make a go of it. Maybe that will involve cuts in budgets etc. but so be it, our fans dont like highly paid players who are not Irish.

If they walk away and insist on debts being paid, they know the club will go to the wall. If that happens they will get nothing in an insolvency process and someone will come in and reform the club and restart the rebuilding process. It would not be the first time .... Matthews left us with €300k in debts with the council, that was very different. If the debts were with him personally, Andy and Paul would have told him to suck them up and do one. Fans should be greatful that Peak6 have not lumbered the club with bank debt alá Glazers at Man Utd.

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Post by Louth4sam » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:12 pm

Pepsi wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:53 pm
Louth4sam wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:22 pm
niall_hearty2000 wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:36 pm Bob give it a rest people are sick to the back teeth of ur one vision which is anti peak 6 anti everything that doesnt suit your agenda. If you think you can do better put your money down. We are winning games again, we have got through the first round of europe, yet still all you wanna do is complain and see the negatives. You say we are driven off the road. Well we were certainly off the road during all those years we spent in the first division
If Peak6 pull the plug at the end of the season and we are four or five million in debt, where do we from from there?[/b]

I'd rather be in the first division with an opportunity of regrouping and rebuilding than having no club at all.
We owe Peak6 the money, not banks or anyone else. So they have 2-3 options if they want out at the end of the season ....
1. They take the hit and leave us debt free or with minimal bank debt. No serious bank will take on that type of debt from a LOI without an underwriter under current circumstances.
2. They sell the club and the debts with it to new owners.
3. They keep going and try to make a go of it. Maybe that will involve cuts in budgets etc. but so be it, our fans dont like highly paid players who are not Irish.

If they walk away and insist on debts being paid, they know the club will go to the wall. If that happens they will get nothing in an insolvency process and someone will come in and reform the club and restart the rebuilding process. It would not be the first time .... Matthews left us with €300k in debts with the council, that was very different. If the debts were with him personally, Andy and Paul would have told him to suck them up and do one. Fans should be greatful that Peak6 have not lumbered the club with bank debt alá Glazers at Man Utd.
They could also walk away and leave debts with the club. There is loads of examples in LOI history of owners pulling out with debts owed to revenue and other creditors. If Peak 6 are the shrewd successful businessmen people claim they are why wouldn't they just fold the company and stiff the creditors and save themselves a wedge of cash
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Post by Pepsi » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:16 pm

They could also just admit that they made a mistake, mis-managed an investment and walk away leaving a foundation for someone else to come in or they could revise their model and continue running Dundalk within its means.
Who are the creditors that are owed major money? What is the wedge of cash you are refering to? As I see it, the large majority of our debts are with Peak6, meaning they would be shafting themselves. Alternatively, they could stop paying wages, flights etc. for the European adventure .... if they do that, their image in Monaco will be tarnished, other clubs will also be very wary of getting involved in other investments with them. The question is if they feel Dundalk FC is worth that self inflicted harm.

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Post by Stephen » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:20 pm

What is so annoying is the fact that fans are been kept totally in the dark. The chairman isn’t speaking, Magilton isn’t speaking, (even when he was giving interviews he wasn’t saying anything) and now even Vinny has stopped speaking and wouldn’t give an interview after Tuesday’s game. As fans we are looking for indicators as to what is going to happen next season. If the club lets Fats go to Derry before the end of the month, even with a fee, I’ll be taking that as a strong indicator the Peak6 are leaving when the season is over. Why would the club allow such a quality player go to a club that we’re competing with for a place in Europe next season?
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Post by BigChief » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:07 pm

Stephen wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:20 pm What is so annoying is the fact that fans are been kept totally in the dark. The chairman isn’t speaking, Magilton isn’t speaking, (even when he was giving interviews he wasn’t saying anything) and now even Vinny has stopped speaking and wouldn’t give an interview after Tuesday’s game. As fans we are looking for indicators as to what is going to happen next season. If the club lets Fats go to Derry before the end of the month, even with a fee, I’ll be taking that as a strong indicator the Peak6 are leaving when the season is over. Why would the club allow such a quality player go to a club that we’re competing with for a place in Europe next season?
The silence from the club is deafening.
It is only fueling the rumours even more.
Another strong indicator they are leaving is if we don't get an assistant & coach in soon.

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Post by Martin Lawlor80 » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:36 pm

BigChief wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:07 pm
Stephen wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:20 pm What is so annoying is the fact that fans are been kept totally in the dark. The chairman isn’t speaking, Magilton isn’t speaking, (even when he was giving interviews he wasn’t saying anything) and now even Vinny has stopped speaking and wouldn’t give an interview after Tuesday’s game. As fans we are looking for indicators as to what is going to happen next season. If the club lets Fats go to Derry before the end of the month, even with a fee, I’ll be taking that as a strong indicator the Peak6 are leaving when the season is over. Why would the club allow such a quality player go to a club that we’re competing with for a place in Europe next season?
The silence from the club is deafening.
It is only fueling the rumours even more.
Another strong indicator they are leaving is if we don't get an assistant & coach in soon.
Agree with both of you

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Post by Martin Lawlor80 » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:43 pm

Richie87 wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:31 pm How did Bill turn things around? Fair play to Filippo he did do a good job in getting Europe,but it wasn't an extraordinary achievement giving it was 1 legged ties against poor enough opposition. The Cup win was a very good win no doubt.
Fillipo overlooked the league when signing players and that decision led to a poor start to the season.
This is all going off topic I suppose but Richie I don’t think it’s fair to say that it wasn’t an extraordinary achievement to reach the group stages!! It’s only happened 3 times in LOI history.
Look at Sligo, they got dumped out today by FH who are currently 3rd last in Iceland.
Not having a go at you BTW just debating !

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Post by Richie87 » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:14 pm

Sligo underachieved, but Dundalk had a lot of European experience prior to last year ,and playing teams from, Andorra, Moldova and the Faroe Islands wasn't the worst of draws. I don't think an Irish teams will get a such a favourable draw again to reach the group stages.

The Moldovan team had some pedigree and was a good win, but they looked very average against Dundalk

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Post by Pepsi » Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:28 pm

Nice to see Vinny picking up his new company car today. Lets hope its a sign that he is here fro a little longer than most expect.

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Post by Bob Prole » Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:32 pm

Richie87 wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:14 pm Sligo underachieved, but Dundalk had a lot of European experience prior to last year ,and playing teams from, Andorra, Moldova and the Faroe Islands wasn't the worst of draws. I don't think an Irish teams will get a such a favourable draw again to reach the group stages.

The Moldovan team had some pedigree and was a good win, but they looked very average against Dundalk
Absolutely our players' European experience is a huge asset. That lack of know how did Sligo over. So much more to a culture of success than whether or not you have the cash to collect a bunch of guys who have slick agents, and it's so frustrating watching us bleed that culture away and see some people actively support it happening.

Filippo seems to have been a good coach popular with the players and getting to the group stage and winning the Cup even with favourable draws was very impressive for a rookie who knew nothing about us. But the main reason it worked for him was the quality of the core group of players he inherited. Whether you are a player or a coach you need to get to know this league before you can thrive in it, and his league results were terrible from start to finish.

Every team needs constant refreshing but no team can ditch proven winners, bring in a dozen imports and expect to challenge for the title. Yet that's what we did and it was a stupid thing to do. Someone up at Oriel (or somewhere else) should have been saying to themselves "Stephen Kenny put all his faith in these guys we're letting go, why do we think we know more about building a league winning squad than Stephen Kenny?" By the time the quality players start to show what they've got - like Stanton recently - it's already over. That's grand if you're going into it saying this is a transition year and we'll be right at it again next season. But that's not what's happening here, is it? That's not what you're doing when you're only offering single year deals.

Instead it looks like whatever little bit of what we had left from that era is just going to be let go with no effort made to keep anyone. And yes I know some people are gonna say "how do you know they're not blah blah blah". I don't know but I'm pretty sure not a single one of you would bet good money that Jim Magilton is sitting down this week or next week with Sam Stanton or any other player and talking about a new two year deal.

For the moment we can be thankful at least that Vinny is back and seems to have stabilised things on the pitch. He's walked into a difficult situation and put the club first. No matter what happens from here I hope he's part of the rebuild.

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Post by BigChief » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:19 pm

All Things Loi on Twitter are saying that Vinny Perth is now being lined up for the Northern Irish u21 job & that talks are to continue..

Nothing would surprise me at this stage, Magilton could be back in Charge yet.

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Post by Bob Prole » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:07 pm

BigChief wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:19 pm All Things Loi on Twitter are saying that Vinny Perth is now being lined up for the Northern Irish u21 job & that talks are to continue..

Nothing would surprise me at this stage, Magilton could be back in Charge yet.
Would be quite ironic if after spending a month whinging about social media in every interview that he leaves us for a job that was first rumoured on social media.

Personally I don’t believe it. That job’s been available for a year. Maybe the temptation to do better than Magilton’s 1 win in 14 games is strong, though!

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Post by Richie87 » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:18 pm

It might appeal to Perth in some ways. Ian Baraclough was promoted to the North Senior manager after his stint with the u21s. Perth would probably get a 2 year deal minimum. The U21 European Qualifers begin in September.

Though Vinny Perth was content to return to Dundalk ,pictured in sponsored car recently, would be strange to see him leave.

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