Dundalk v Finn Harps | League Series 2 | Friday 26 March 2021 ko 17.45

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Dundalk v Finn Harps | League Series 2 | Friday 26 March 2021 ko 17.45

Post by oldfogey » Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:13 pm

Might as well start somewhere.

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Re: Dundalk v Finn Harps | League Series 2 | Friday 26 March 2021 ko 17.45

Post by dundalkfc1903 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:24 pm

Filippo could do with a convincing league win.
Two local journalists starting to crank up the pressure, pointing out his record of 13 points in his first 10 games in charge.

Hopefully a solid 2-0 win but Finn Harps will likely prove tough opposition.

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Re: Dundalk v Finn Harps | League Series 2 | Friday 26 March 2021 ko 17.45

Post by Louth4sam » Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:57 pm

dundalkfc1903 wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:24 pm Two local journalists starting to crank up the pressure, pointing out his record of 13 points in his first 10 games in charge.
Didn't realise that. That's an absolutely abysmal return really and should cost most managers their jobs. He has built up a bit of credit with Qualifying for Europa league and the cup win but he needs the club to go on a bit of a run. If he is to believed that he has final say on signings, this is his team now so there is no excuses.

All the vibes from the players is he's a great coach and we seem to have gotten rid of players that didn't want to be here so I would be cautiously optimistic we can improve
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Re: Dundalk v Finn Harps | League Series 2 | Friday 26 March 2021 ko 17.45

Post by Martin Lawlor80 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:53 pm

Peak11 wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:30 pm It shows you how little pressure he has been under that when James Rogers just mentioned the bald stats of his record on the Press Box pod, Craig Colgan tried to slap him down. Last year the excuses swung from "he inherited a shitshow", to "Europe is the priority", to "there's too many games", to "he needs to bring his own players in". Now it's "the new players need time to gel". Lucky for Filippo there's a lot of patience out there, which is a good thing. But he needs to keep the points board ticking from the start. We need to be beating the likes of Finn Harps at home and reasonably comfortably.
I didn’t think Craig was slapping him down! I like the format, 2 differing opinions and both backed up.
I agree with JR that the system doesn’t suit out players and it might have to be changed if we get off to a bad start.
If we fail to beat FH and then drop points in Tallaght the pressure will come on the management . However IMO 5 poimts from 9 wouldn’t be bad considering it’s Sligo and rovers away

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Post by Louth4sam » Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:11 pm

I might be in the minority but I probably would accept finishing second or third again if it was putting the foundations down for a period of dominance. The profile of the player we are now looking at fully aligns with what the club are saying that they want us to be a European club in Ireland. 2016 was arguably our greatest ever side and we have regressed since then. Bringing in 4/5 players of a suitable quality at that point to allow us to continue to progress and Cork and Rovers would be miles behind us.

I have major concerns of the model of signing players as I don't think one year contracts are enough especially when our major rival can offer 4 years at a similar wage and cherry pick our best players. There is also a major concern if the back room interference still exists. Fillipo deserves a chance to manage the team his way.
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Post by Louth4sam » Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:15 pm

Martin Lawlor80 wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:53 pm However IMO 5 poimts from 9 wouldn’t be bad considering it’s Sligo and rovers away
I'd bite your hand off for that. We'd be level with Rovers after three games having played them away. They're weaker than last year and we do look stronger on paper, we need to keep pace with them as long as possible as they may crumble a little like they did in 2019
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Re: Dundalk v Finn Harps | League Series 2 | Friday 26 March 2021 ko 17.45

Post by Conroy » Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:45 pm

This will be a big test for FG. Anything less than 3 points and the pressure mounts.

Hopefully a good performance. Harps will be sitting in and well drilled defensively. Paddy McE will be key to this game, were going to need someone to unlock their defence. With the way FG structures his teams, we rely on on moments of magic from someone to create chances.

I think FG is stubborn and will play the same system despite it not getting the most out of the players available. But I would love to see use go more attacking and switch to a 4-2-3-1 with Shields sitting in front of the back 4 and Stanton taking the ball on the half turn and driving forward, I think he has that in his locker and offers more than Sloggett who I've been disappointed with to date. Kelly if fit in to replace Junior to give us width and pace.

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Re: Dundalk v Finn Harps | League Series 2 | Friday 26 March 2021 ko 17.45

Post by magarnagle » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:53 pm

Out of curiosity. How many who think that FG's record is poor and would get most managers the sack would back sacking Kenny if he doesn't get a result against Serbia tonight?

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Post by dundalkfc1903 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:57 pm

Personally I would cut FG some slack for the hectic schedule he had and the fact he was asked to concentrate on Europe.

If he gets 13 points from the next ten games (or less than 18 really) with the most expensive squad ever assembled in Ireland...

Its a pity he wont be doing many interviews this season because I enjoy listening to him.

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Re: Dundalk v Finn Harps | League Series 2 | Friday 26 March 2021 ko 17.45

Post by Martin Lawlor80 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:51 pm

magarnagle wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:53 pm Out of curiosity. How many who think that FG's record is poor and would get most managers the sack would back sacking Kenny if he doesn't get a result against Serbia tonight?
I personally think that last years league form shouldn’t be taken into account when you are comparing him to our other managers and they’re records in the first 10 games. JR was just comparing them on the podcast but he was at pains to say FG shouldn’t be under pressure I thought.

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Post by magarnagle » Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:29 pm

Peak11 wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:10 pm
magarnagle wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:53 pm Out of curiosity. How many who think that FG's record is poor and would get most managers the sack would back sacking Kenny if he doesn't get a result against Serbia tonight?
Winning the Cup was enough for me to think he deserves his shot and shouldn't be sacked any time soon, despite the league form. But that's a daft comparison.
How so?

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Re: Dundalk v Finn Harps | League Series 2 | Friday 26 March 2021 ko 17.45

Post by Richie87 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:09 pm

Neither should be sacked, and talking like that after first game of the season is silly. Sligo away was a tough game, they have signed well with Parkes back and Bolger.

Kenny's time in charge has been hampered by covid, injuries, late withdrawals. They have played decent away in Slovakia and Serbia.
He can only so much, doesn't have a Hamsik,Tadic,Mitrovic.

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Re: Dundalk v Finn Harps | League Series 2 | Friday 26 March 2021 ko 17.45

Post by Pepsi » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:26 am

What about Val as a wing back???

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Re: Dundalk v Finn Harps | League Series 2 | Friday 26 March 2021 ko 17.45

Post by magarnagle » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:39 am

Peak11 wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:26 pm
magarnagle wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:29 pm
Peak11 wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:10 pm

Winning the Cup was enough for me to think he deserves his shot and shouldn't be sacked any time soon, despite the league form. But that's a daft comparison.
How so?
Really? Alright so.

"How many who think that the league champions getting bad results would get most managers the sack would back sacking the manager of a shit international team if he doesn't get a result against a much better team tonight?"
6 of the games were in the Europa League against far superior opposition. No comparison? So the argument for not sacking Kenny (which would be madness IMO) is because they are playing better teams but FG's record is abysmal because we were LOI champions, gotcha.

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Re: Dundalk v Finn Harps | League Series 2 | Friday 26 March 2021 ko 17.45

Post by magarnagle » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:36 am

Peak11 wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:50 am
magarnagle wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:39 am
Peak11 wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:26 pm

Really? Alright so.

"How many who think that the league champions getting bad results would get most managers the sack would back sacking the manager of a shit international team if he doesn't get a result against a much better team tonight?"
6 of the games were in the Europa League against far superior opposition. No comparison? So the argument for not sacking Kenny (which would be madness IMO) is because they are playing better teams but FG's record is abysmal because we were LOI champions, gotcha.
6 of the 10 league games in which he got 13 points were in the Europa League? Huge if true. I was thinking finishing 22 points behind Rovers was odd. FAI screwing Dundalk again. Bill should sue.
Fair enough, got that mixed up. I personally see comparisons between what Kenny has faced and FG. Neither manager inherited a team in a good place, so the we were champions point is moot, we were in a state when FG took over. Were the league results good enough? No. But the focus was on Europe, plain as, that was his remit and he won the cup.

9 international games is the equivalent to about a full domestic season and unfortunately Kenny has lost all games. People are rightly pointing to the injuries, covid and the improvement in style and performances to back him. Shouldn't FG get the same slack?

FG will never get an even playing field given the on-going pandemic but from now is when he should be judged. If we don't beat Harps or win unconvincingly I will worry a little more, but not enough to be calling for his head or calling him abysmal.

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