2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League

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2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League

Post by seand » Tue May 25, 2021 8:34 pm

Too early for a UEFA Europa Conference League thread? Well, normally I'd have a Champions League thread up within days of winning the league but a combination of the utter sh1teness of Dundalk and the fact that travel is pretty much off the agenda has tempered my enthusiasm.

Anyway, the qualification for the UECL is taking shape nicely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%8 ... nce_League

Dundalk will start in the first qualifying round where we will be seeded, and the draw will probably be informally regionalised, so a possible trip to the North (Glentoran, Coleraine probaby), Wales, Latvia, Estonia, Finland or Luxembourg. If we somehow improve our form from absolutely diabolical to the heady heights of mediocre we should be able to manage the first round. We'd be seeded in the second round too, but there'll quite a lot of quality in the non-seeded side, including sides from solid pro leagues like Norway, Sweden, Bulgaria and Slovakia.
Remarkably we would also be seeded in the THIRD qualifying round if we got that far. (The Wiki page says seeding to be confirmed for "winners of match involving Dundalk or Q1 opponents" but if that winner is Dundalk our coefficient will be enough to see us seeded). There'd be plenty of very strong non-seeds there of course, but it would have given a Kenny team some sort of a chance. If we did somehow negotiate our way through all that then we'd be unseeded in the playoff round when the likes of Spurs, Roma and Villarreal or Celta join the fun. Once again the only way to do anything in Europe is to win the league and go via the CL route. Bearing in mind that we can write off 2021 that means we're next looking at 2023-24 season for any prospect of having a lash at the CL again.

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Re: 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League

Post by holidaysong » Tue May 25, 2021 10:01 pm

The prize money for the new competition has been released today.

There is going to be a change this year with money based on the round where you're eliminated, rather than accumulating through qualifying rounds. e.g. if we get to ECL QR3 it would be €550k. Fall at the first hurdle and it's only €150k...

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Re: 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League

Post by Richie87 » Tue May 25, 2021 10:18 pm

Some difference when you look at Champions League play off round figure, compared to the Conference League. In International football they are making it easier for smaller nations to qualify with tournaments like the Nations League for seeding and 3rd place in Euro Qualifiers getting play offs.
I don't think the bigger nations should be involved in the Conference league play offs.

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Re: 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League

Post by GC. » Tue May 25, 2021 10:44 pm

What are the last two rows in the table? I was thinking 3rd and 4th place playoff but it seems to mention group.

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Re: 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League

Post by Dundalk Wolf » Tue May 25, 2021 11:35 pm

GC. wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 10:44 pm What are the last two rows in the table? I was thinking 3rd and 4th place playoff but it seems to mention group.
It's €500k for a group stage win and €166k for a group stage draw. So not too far off Europa League money this season (€570k / €190k).

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Re: 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League

Post by holidaysong » Wed May 26, 2021 1:28 pm

This file is a good mock up of what the seedings could look like.

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?res ... 5LlMWkMofc

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Re: 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League

Post by GC. » Wed May 26, 2021 2:59 pm

Dundalk Wolf wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 11:35 pm
GC. wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 10:44 pm What are the last two rows in the table? I was thinking 3rd and 4th place playoff but it seems to mention group.
It's €500k for a group stage win and €166k for a group stage draw. So not too far off Europa League money this season (€570k / €190k).
Thanks Dundalk Wolf. Comparing to last season, there is not a huge difference between the EL, and the Conference League unless the group is won. My fingers and toes are crossed!

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Re: 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League

Post by seand » Wed May 26, 2021 4:41 pm

The spreadsheet linked is pretty cool but it's a good few weeks ourt of date. Gives you an idea of the calibre of opposition though. The money is pretty good, but again the only way to access a good chunk of it is via the champions path

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Re: 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League

Post by oldfogey » Thu May 27, 2021 9:12 am

seand wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 4:41 pm The spreadsheet linked is pretty cool but it's a good few weeks ourt of date. Gives you an idea of the calibre of opposition though. The money is pretty good, but again the only way to access a good chunk of it is via the champions path
Bert Kassies really is the only source of information for this. The Qualification tab shows every single league, along with it's current status, including remaining rounds, cup final dates, etc. It even shows which round and competition clubs are destined for according to their league position. As a league is completed, the individual Seedings tabs (CL/EL/ECL) automatically update with qualified clubs and categories them as seeded/unseeded/tbc. So much more as well. Stato paradise.

https://kassiesa.net/uefa/

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Re: 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League

Post by Louth4sam » Thu May 27, 2021 9:32 am

oldfogey wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 9:12 am
seand wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 4:41 pm The spreadsheet linked is pretty cool but it's a good few weeks ourt of date. Gives you an idea of the calibre of opposition though. The money is pretty good, but again the only way to access a good chunk of it is via the champions path
Bert Kassies really is the only source of information for this. The Qualification tab shows every single league, along with it's current status, including remaining rounds, cup final dates, etc. It even shows which round and competition clubs are destined for according to their league position. As a league is completed, the individual Seedings tabs (CL/EL/ECL) automatically update with qualified clubs and categories them as seeded/unseeded/tbc. So much more as well. Stato paradise.

https://kassiesa.net/uefa/
IF we get our act together over the next month and a half there are winnable ties in the first three rounds as we are seeded. The final round would be a huge challenge unless we get a massive bit of luck or get drawn BATE and they are kicked out of European football for the season.
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Re: 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League

Post by mike » Fri May 28, 2021 1:00 pm

seand wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 8:34 pm Too early for a UEFA Europa Conference League thread? Well, normally I'd have a Champions League thread up within days of winning the league but a combination of the utter sh1teness of Dundalk and the fact that travel is pretty much off the agenda has tempered my enthusiasm.

Anyway, the qualification for the UECL is taking shape nicely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%8 ... nce_League

Dundalk will start in the first qualifying round where we will be seeded, and the draw will probably be informally regionalised, so a possible trip to the North (Glentoran, Coleraine probaby), Wales, Latvia, Estonia, Finland or Luxembourg. If we somehow improve our form from absolutely diabolical to the heady heights of mediocre we should be able to manage the first round. We'd be seeded in the second round too, but there'll quite a lot of quality in the non-seeded side, including sides from solid pro leagues like Norway, Sweden, Bulgaria and Slovakia.
Remarkably we would also be seeded in the THIRD qualifying round if we got that far. (The Wiki page says seeding to be confirmed for "winners of match involving Dundalk or Q1 opponents" but if that winner is Dundalk our coefficient will be enough to see us seeded). There'd be plenty of very strong non-seeds there of course, but it would have given a Kenny team some sort of a chance. If we did somehow negotiate our way through all that then we'd be unseeded in the playoff round when the likes of Spurs, Roma and Villarreal or Celta join the fun. Once again the only way to do anything in Europe is to win the league and go via the CL route. Bearing in mind that we can write off 2021 that means we're next looking at 2023-24 season for any prospect of having a lash at the CL again.
Good summary Sean, and agree IF we can get our act together QR 1-3 look achievable, but the play off has some shocker of big clubs there, virtually no chance, unless...........surely not BATE again, but we would have to improve 100% and get better players bedded in from same period, unlikely.

Does anyone know if the rounds will be one leg again due to Covid?

As for 2022-23 Europe, only hope for that would seem to be retaining the cup, or getting to the final and somehow finishing 4th (assuming a top 3 teams makes it too). Both would also seem unlikely given current form, but christ, if we can only hire and damn good manager, get a GK in, improved MF, we might, whisper it, have a long shot chance.

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Re: 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League

Post by Richie87 » Fri May 28, 2021 1:13 pm

It's back to the 2 legs this year Mike.
The first round first leg on July 8th, second leg 15th.

It was later starting last year so had to be 1 leg, along with some countries being no entry with covid

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Re: 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League

Post by mike » Fri May 28, 2021 5:57 pm

Thanks Richie. There is no doubt the 1 leg helped us last year, although it was one of the best performances, the 1-1 draw away to Sheriff, maybe they would have upped their game in the second leg, who knows.

Then again all of those one leg games were away apart from the play off game!

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Re: 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League

Post by oldfogey » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:32 am

Larne play Cliftonville this Saturday in a playoff for the final ECL spot.

Crusaders - who had their keeper red carded in a penalty shootout in the Cup SF 2 weeks ago - were clearly robbed in last night's shootout against Cliftonville as their 5th penalty was deemed not to have crossed the line. Apart from the possibility of us meeting an NIFL side in the first round of the ECL, Aaron McCarey was in goals for Cliftonville.

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Re: 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League

Post by oldfogey » Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:43 pm

So Larne picked up the final ECL spot last night. For those who like to do a bit of "what if/maybe", the draw is likely to be along the following lines:

5 groups of 10 teams (5 seeded & 5 unseeded clubs)
2 groups of 8 teams (4 seeded & 4 unseeded)

A computer will work out the groups based on national/geographical/political requirements. Clubs within a group are randomly allocated numbers 1-5 (s) and 6-10 (u/s) or 1-4 and 5-8 for the groups of 8. A ghost draw will take place between the seeded and unseeded groups using numbers only, including decision on home/away for the legs. That result will allocated across all 5 groups of 10. A similar draw will be carried out for the 2 8 club groups.

Even if we happened to get one club each from Northern Ireland, Wales and Iceland, we are still looking at Baltic clubs or Andorra/Gibraltar/Malta , although the latter are normally kept away from our gegraphical area, as is Luxembourg.

https://kassiesa.net/uefa/seedecl2021.html

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