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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Pepsi » Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:16 pm

Bob, you are right I was on the drink when I wrote the post you shared on Twitter like a 12 year old in need of attention, however now I have a few questions for you .... straight forward answers will survice....

Should Peak6 walk, who would you like to see takeover??? How should they fund the day to day running of the club??
How much do you think a European game costs home and away?? How would you plan to finance the expense given money is paid long after games are played???
Would you be willing to pay increased gate prices or season ticket prices should Peak6 leave to maintain a competitive budget??
What do you think is an acceptable budget to make Dundalk competitive and how much do you feel the clubs highest earner should be on per year???
If the club were winning weekly, sitting top of the table would you be protesting or better said encouraging protests???

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Bob Prole » Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:50 pm

Pepsi wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:16 pm Bob, you are right I was on the drink when I wrote the post you shared on Twitter like a 12 year old in need of attention, however now I have a few questions for you .... straight forward answers will survice....

Should Peak6 walk, who would you like to see takeover??? How should they fund the day to day running of the club??
How much do you think a European game costs home and away?? How would you plan to finance the expense given money is paid long after games are played???
Would you be willing to pay increased gate prices or season ticket prices should Peak6 leave to maintain a competitive budget??
What do you think is an acceptable budget to make Dundalk competitive and how much do you feel the clubs highest earner should be on per year???
If the club were winning weekly, sitting top of the table would you be protesting or better said encouraging protests???
It was pretty obvious cos otherwise I'd be suggesting you go talk to someone. One question mark usually suffices too.

Should Peak6 walk, who would you like to see takeover?
A group or groups who care about the club. A group or groups who recognise that a football club represents a community in the pursuit of sporting success. A group or groups who run a financially stable business model in the pursuit of sporting success

How should they fund the day to day running of the club?
Sponsorship income, matchday income, non-matchday activities such as former player meet and greet nights, auctions, race nights etc; subscription income, bar revenue, facilities rental, merchandise, community fundraising activities, European income in those seasons where we have it.

How much do you think a European game costs home and away? How would you plan to finance the expense given money is paid long after games are played?
If we do find ourselves that cash strapped, there are finance facilities made available via UEFA guarantee, which is how clubs even smaller than ours manage to do it every year.

Would you be willing to pay increased gate prices or season ticket prices should Peak6 leave to maintain a competitive budget?
Tell me what a 'competitive budget' is and tell me what our budget for this year is. Straightforward answer will suffice. But the answer to your question is yes. I think a rise in the ST price is warranted anyway and there are more clever ticketing options than just ST or gate such as categorised matches and voucher systems, but I'd rather see the money ring-fenced for ground improvements and not pissed away on a bloated squad.

What do you think is an acceptable budget to make Dundalk competitive and how much do you feel the clubs highest earner should be on per year?
Tell me what our budget is and tell me what the budgets at the clubs occupying the European spots are. I would say a similar budget to those clubs. So what's that? Are they on half what our budget for this year apparently is? After that it's about having the right people involved in recruitment and the right manager in charge.

I think if ever we needed evidence that a smaller amount spent wisely goes a lot further to being competitive than large amounts in the hands of fools, then this season is it. I have no idea what individual players get paid or what the market rate is in the League. You tell me.

If the club were winning weekly, sitting top of the table would you be protesting or better said encouraging protests?
If the club were winning weekly it would indicate that it was being run properly or at least not catastrophically. So I doubt it. The club is being run catastrophically badly and well look at the league table and our accounts for confirmation.
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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Louth4sam » Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:06 pm

Martin Lawlor80 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:56 pm
Louth4sam wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:59 pm
Dundalk Wolf wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:43 pm

Perhaps not the thread for this question, but do you really think that all is good with the club now that Vinny has returned? Everything's going to be fine, because Vinny is back in charge of the first team (for the rest of the season)? Everything? Nothing to worry about?

And you think the guy highlighting the poor state of the pitch on a thread about facilities is the one who needs to reassess his opinions?
Any criticism of the club is met with a unwavering defence by a small number of posters. The don't believe journalists, they don't believe evidence in front of their eyes. It's almost like a cult at this stage.

The pitch looked worse than normal the other night, I've no idea if this means it's playing worse or not but in my total non expert opinion I would guess it is. Hopefully it will get better the more we play on it
L4S you say it’s a “ small number of posters” the other guy seems to believe it’s a “ constant stream of posts blaming every body but the owners”. Seems like OW can’t win.

Anybody who looks at OW would know that there are a number of posters , including yourself , who have no truck with Peak6 . I’ve the height of respect for you , as you usually put your opinions in a reasonable manner and you don’t spam up the forum with a crusade.

However, taking screenshots of posts is not on and should be against the rules imo. We’ll all be in OP soon enough, talking and chatting to people we haven’t seen in ages and It’s surprisingly easy to identify posters. I was aware who Eziekial was , for example. What’s the point in being a member at all, if the whole world can view a post without registering on the forum?
But hey, maybe I’m wrong but I won’t be engaging.
I wouldn't agree at all with Bob that it's a constant stream. There is a small number of posters that are very much anti Peak6 and a small number that are pro the club, to be fair I don't even think it's pro Peak6 it's more pro the club. Most posters sit in the middle.

For what it's worth I'm actually not anti Peak6. I think we plateaued in 2016 and it was evident that if we wanted to move up a level in Europe we'd need investment and experience coming in to the club. I was cautiously optimistic when Peak6 took over and I think they did a reasonable job for the first couple of years but it was a critical error putting Bill in charge and it has been a series of blunders since then.

I'd also agree that screenshotting posts on the forum isn't on. I once had someone complain about one of my posts to me on a European trip not realising I was the one that posted it. I think it's good having some some anonymity on the forum even if like you say most of us know each other
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Re: Ground Standards

Post by niall_hearty2000 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:35 pm

Bob Prole wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:36 pm
Martin Lawlor80 wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:28 pm Just had a look at this guy’s Twitter account.
He absolutely needs to be ‘shut down’ from OW. He’s just put a screenshot of Pepsi’s post on his account for fcuk sake!

Mods need to step in here. Surely this is against the rules of the forum?

How can we post on here with another member taking photo of it , commenting on it and putting it on Twitter?!
Goes beyond the usual trolling he’s been at
He’s commenting?! On things we’re saying?! On the INTERNET!

You know everyone can see the internet, right? And that anyone can screenshot anything posted on this forum that’s a thing on the internet, right? What if I linked to a post is that ok? Isn’t a screenshot better than being misrepresented (which GC did when he said I came here “on a wind up”)? “If you stand by your opinions what’s the problem?

And I have no regrets posting that screenshot because that response was insane and should have been called out as being insane. But a couple of you are now so far down the rabbit hole of denial that instead all you can do is scream into the void with your eyes closed and your fingers in your ears. Everything is ok cos Vinny is back? Absolute lols.

As for the pitch and my post that caused three posters to go into meltdown, it is playing very visibly worse than it used to, which suggested to me that it is not being maintained as it should be. There, that’s the post. Try not to set the detectors in Sellafield off dealing with it.
No i actually think you are out of order. By all means argue your point on here, but you have absolutely no right whatsoever to take a screenshot of another posters comments and share for the world to see. This is a closed members forum. It isn't open to non members to read posts. If you don't agree with what someone posts, that is your right, equally you have the right to rebuttal and to comment on their poat. But here only. It shows a sneaky underhanded side to share on twitter.
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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Bob Prole » Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:37 pm

Fair enough Niall I respect your opinion and deleted the tweet earlier.

But it isn't a closed members forum. Anyone can read the posts. It says right down there that 31 guests are reading this minute. They just can't post. All you have to do is logout and see for yourself. Anyone can screenshot anything posted here.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Breffni white » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:28 pm

niall_hearty2000 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:35 pm
Bob Prole wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:36 pm
Martin Lawlor80 wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:28 pm Just had a look at this guy’s Twitter account.
He absolutely needs to be ‘shut down’ from OW. He’s just put a screenshot of Pepsi’s post on his account for fcuk sake!

Mods need to step in here. Surely this is against the rules of the forum?

How can we post on here with another member taking photo of it , commenting on it and putting it on Twitter?!
Goes beyond the usual trolling he’s been at
He’s commenting?! On things we’re saying?! On the INTERNET!

You know everyone can see the internet, right? And that anyone can screenshot anything posted on this forum that’s a thing on the internet, right? What if I linked to a post is that ok? Isn’t a screenshot better than being misrepresented (which GC did when he said I came here “on a wind up”)? “If you stand by your opinions what’s the problem?

And I have no regrets posting that screenshot because that response was insane and should have been called out as being insane. But a couple of you are now so far down the rabbit hole of denial that instead all you can do is scream into the void with your eyes closed and your fingers in your ears. Everything is ok cos Vinny is back? Absolute lols.

As for the pitch and my post that caused three posters to go into meltdown, it is playing very visibly worse than it used to, which suggested to me that it is not being maintained as it should be. There, that’s the post. Try not to set the detectors in Sellafield off dealing with it.
No i actually think you are out of order. By all means argue your point on here, but you have absolutely no right whatsoever to take a screenshot of another posters comments and share for the world to see. This is a closed members forum. It isn't open to non members to read posts. If you don't agree with what someone posts, that is your right, equally you have the right to rebuttal and to comment on their poat. But here only. It shows a sneaky underhanded side to share on twitter.
It's definitely not closed to members only as I read some of the forum posts for a while before I registered , but it should be closed to registered members only as it doesn't make sense that anyone can read them.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by GC. » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:34 pm

niall_hearty2000 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:35 pm
Bob Prole wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:36 pm
Martin Lawlor80 wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:28 pm Just had a look at this guy’s Twitter account.
He absolutely needs to be ‘shut down’ from OW. He’s just put a screenshot of Pepsi’s post on his account for fcuk sake!

Mods need to step in here. Surely this is against the rules of the forum?

How can we post on here with another member taking photo of it , commenting on it and putting it on Twitter?!
Goes beyond the usual trolling he’s been at
He’s commenting?! On things we’re saying?! On the INTERNET!

You know everyone can see the internet, right? And that anyone can screenshot anything posted on this forum that’s a thing on the internet, right? What if I linked to a post is that ok? Isn’t a screenshot better than being misrepresented (which GC did when he said I came here “on a wind up”)? “If you stand by your opinions what’s the problem?

And I have no regrets posting that screenshot because that response was insane and should have been called out as being insane. But a couple of you are now so far down the rabbit hole of denial that instead all you can do is scream into the void with your eyes closed and your fingers in your ears. Everything is ok cos Vinny is back? Absolute lols.

As for the pitch and my post that caused three posters to go into meltdown, it is playing very visibly worse than it used to, which suggested to me that it is not being maintained as it should be. There, that’s the post. Try not to set the detectors in Sellafield off dealing with it.
No i actually think you are out of order. By all means argue your point on here, but you have absolutely no right whatsoever to take a screenshot of another posters comments and share for the world to see. This is a closed members forum. It isn't open to non members to read posts. If you don't agree with what someone posts, that is your right, equally you have the right to rebuttal and to comment on their poat. But here only. It shows a sneaky underhanded side to share on twitter.
It appears that whatever happened the site a few months ago has allowed non-members see posts. I logged off. I logged off and was able to read the forum. However, it is still a low point that users are copying to another social media website to try and show their mates how great they are.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Richie87 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:38 pm

I was reading the forum for a few years before I Joined. I don't know where they are coming with the you need to be a member to view posts. It's no different to other sports forums, you can read without being a member.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Bob Prole » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:50 pm

Richie87 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:38 pm I was reading the forum for a few years before I Joined. I don't know where they are coming with the you need to be a member to view posts. It's no different to other sports forums, you can read without being a member.
One of the first times I saw this forum was when a bunch of Pats fans were screenshotting it last year saying we deserved what was coming when some poster said 50 grand was nothing after the Uefa fine.

I've deleted the tweet because I've been asked to. I didn't tweet it to 'show people I'm great', I tweeted it because it was absolutely bananas and it still says a lot about the regular posters that there wasn't one word about it. If you thought your posting here was private all along and not visible to the whole planet anytime anyone wants to look, then I wouldn't be slagging anyone else off cos that is pretty dumb...

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by niall_hearty2000 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:58 pm

Bob Prole wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:50 pm
Richie87 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:38 pm I was reading the forum for a few years before I Joined. I don't know where they are coming with the you need to be a member to view posts. It's no different to other sports forums, you can read without being a member.
One of the first times I saw this forum was when a bunch of Pats fans were screenshotting it last year saying we deserved what was coming when some poster said 50 grand was nothing after the Uefa fine.

I've deleted the tweet because I've been asked to. I didn't tweet it to 'show people I'm great', I tweeted it because it was absolutely bananas and it still says a lot about the regular posters that there wasn't one word about it. If you thought your posting here was private all along and not visible to the whole planet anytime anyone wants to look, then I wouldn't be slagging anyone else off cos that is pretty dumb...
There wasnt one word said about it because the vast majority might not always agree with another post, but we respect the posters right to post it
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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Bob Prole » Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:16 pm

You just said people have a right to comment on posts. So people chose not to comment on it. Fair enough.

By the way some of the same people objecting to content on this public forum being shared and commented on Twitter are happy to slag off tweets by people who aren’t active on this forum such as Gerry Malone or ShedSide Army rather than engage with the tweets directly. Did I see the grammer on the Supporters Club website getting slagged off here too?! Seems like a new double standard. I’ll also note none of you challenged Gerry on Twitter when he screenshot it a while back. Or sent Colin posts about it.

https://twitter.com/liveatoriel/status/ ... 33351?s=21

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by GC. » Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:51 pm

Schroedinger’s Malone. Both on the forum and off the forum at the same time. That’s quite interesting.

The reality is that he has some sort of activity here to take screenshots and post them on his Twitter, but the likes on Twitter must be more important than challenging posts here. To challenge someone on Twitter would mean having a an account there, and seeing as Twitter is a great place for outrage, not so much for discussion, it serves little purpose than maybe an echo chamber. A lot of people avoid it if possible. It used to be ok to get goals for Dundalk goals when there wasn’t live streams.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Bob Prole » Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:31 pm

200 will be let into the next home match going by the government today.

500 for grounds with a 5000+ capacity. Not sure if that includes standing but the max in Oriel according to the fire officer is 4,500 anyway I think.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Bob Prole » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:57 am

Very interesting statement out of the club this morning:

https://www.dundalkfc.com/statement-red ... ent-group/

Hopefully the start of something concrete.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by dundalkfc1903 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:14 am

Hopefully, not sure anyone mentioned in the group exploring it have any experience in such large projects but maybe they can get some momentum behind it

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