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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Shoco » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:27 pm

Pepsi wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:23 pm
White Horse wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:19 pm
Pepsi wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:17 pm
On a serious note, would this maybe be a good time to offer the Grammar School money for the land they own and rent to the club behind Oriel, training pitches.
Is this not the land they wish to rezone for residential use, in order fund the Hill St. stadium?
Yes it is...they want to sell, if the owners plan to stay at Oriel they should be buying it.
Why would they buy it if it’s being reasoned as residential? The lands value would be worth a lot more if they can rezone it

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Pepsi » Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:06 pm

Shoco wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:27 pm
Pepsi wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:23 pm
White Horse wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:19 pm

Is this not the land they wish to rezone for residential use, in order fund the Hill St. stadium?
Yes it is...they want to sell, if the owners plan to stay at Oriel they should be buying it.
Why would they buy it if it’s being reasoned as residential? The lands value would be worth a lot more if they can rezone it
If they dont (attempt to) buy it, realistically the club will have to leave Oriel / do away with YDC if they want to increase capacity.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by White Horse » Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:40 pm

It's very difficult to value residential land, but 6 ha off the Carrick Rd could be worth between 1 to 2 million I would expect.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by niall_hearty2000 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:58 pm

Unless they have plans to redevelop oriel or possibly to speculate in the property market, I highly doubt peak 6 will have any interest in the land.
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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Martin Lawlor80 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:19 pm

niall_hearty2000 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:58 pm Unless they have plans to redevelop oriel or possibly to speculate in the property market, I highly doubt peak 6 will have any interest in the land.
We have also the added bonus of a host of new residents objecting to any plans to develop OP

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Pepsi » Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:33 pm

niall_hearty2000 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:58 pm Unless they have plans to redevelop oriel or possibly to speculate in the property market, I highly doubt peak 6 will have any interest in the land.
If they plan do any major work to Oriel they will need to buy land or go greenfield. Question is if they go greenfield, where will they go??

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by niall_hearty2000 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:54 pm

Martin Lawlor80 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:19 pm
niall_hearty2000 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:58 pm Unless they have plans to redevelop oriel or possibly to speculate in the property market, I highly doubt peak 6 will have any interest in the land.
We have also the added bonus of a host of new residents objecting to any plans to develop OP
You can object all you want doesn't mean u will succeed.
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Re: Ground Standards

Post by niall_hearty2000 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:55 pm

Pepsi wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:33 pm
niall_hearty2000 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:58 pm Unless they have plans to redevelop oriel or possibly to speculate in the property market, I highly doubt peak 6 will have any interest in the land.
If they plan do any major work to Oriel they will need to buy land or go greenfield. Question is if they go greenfield, where will they go??
Probably D4!!
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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Pepsi » Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:05 pm

niall_hearty2000 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:55 pm
Pepsi wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:33 pm
niall_hearty2000 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:58 pm Unless they have plans to redevelop oriel or possibly to speculate in the property market, I highly doubt peak 6 will have any interest in the land.
If they plan do any major work to Oriel they will need to buy land or go greenfield. Question is if they go greenfield, where will they go??
Probably D4!!
My idea would be Belfast.....next to their new office!!

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by oldfogey » Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:24 pm

niall_hearty2000 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:58 pm Unless they have plans to redevelop oriel or possibly to speculate in the property market, I highly doubt peak 6 will have any interest in the land.
The problem us that the "Grammar Pitch" in itself doesnt solve issue of the land needed to redevelop Oriel Park.

1. It would be virtually impossible legally to build a stadium across two parcels of land, one you own and one you rent.
2. The pathway to the Furry Glen is owned by the council. This is - in effect - the same problem as the other end. The club would need to buy the Joes pitch (family want it rezoned as residential too €€€) and the lane way in between owned by CIE.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Louth4sam » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:31 pm

oldfogey wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:24 pm
niall_hearty2000 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:58 pm Unless they have plans to redevelop oriel or possibly to speculate in the property market, I highly doubt peak 6 will have any interest in the land.
The problem us that the "Grammar Pitch" in itself doesnt solve issue of the land needed to redevelop Oriel Park.

1. It would be virtually impossible legally to build a stadium across two parcels of land, one you own and one you rent.
2. The pathway to the Furry Glen is owned by the council. This is - in effect - the same problem as the other end. The club would need to buy the Joes pitch (family want it rezoned as residential too €€€) and the lane way in between owned by CIE.
Greenfield site is the only way to go if it is to be done correctly but you're then giving a fantastic location up. It's all a pipe dream though as bar a fan winning the Euro millions or us qualifying for a couple of champions League group stages it'll never happen. Anything that will be done to Oriel will be cosmetic only or maybe small stands at either end of the ground. It could become a nice little tidy ground like Turner's cross if the will and motivation was there.
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Re: Ground Standards

Post by oldfogey » Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:22 pm

Louth4sam wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:31 pm
oldfogey wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:24 pm
niall_hearty2000 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:58 pm Unless they have plans to redevelop oriel or possibly to speculate in the property market, I highly doubt peak 6 will have any interest in the land.
The problem us that the "Grammar Pitch" in itself doesnt solve issue of the land needed to redevelop Oriel Park.

1. It would be virtually impossible legally to build a stadium across two parcels of land, one you own and one you rent.
2. The pathway to the Furry Glen is owned by the council. This is - in effect - the same problem as the other end. The club would need to buy the Joes pitch (family want it rezoned as residential too €€€) and the lane way in between owned by CIE.
Greenfield site is the only way to go if it is to be done correctly but you're then giving a fantastic location up. It's all a pipe dream though as bar a fan winning the Euro millions or us qualifying for a couple of champions League group stages it'll never happen. Anything that will be done to Oriel will be cosmetic only or maybe small stands at either end of the ground. It could become a nice little tidy ground like Turner's cross if the will and motivation was there.
I agree about a greenfield site, but the club would be mad to let Oriel Park go. The annual rent is a pittance in relation to the annual budget, and the benefits the ground provides, especially with the money already invested in the YDC. Remember there are already 4 underage boys sides, and the hope that Ladies and girls football might return. There is the added problem that - legally - the outgoing tenant is required to remove everything, and I mean everything.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by Pepsi » Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:30 pm

oldfogey wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:22 pm
Louth4sam wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:31 pm
oldfogey wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:24 pm

The problem us that the "Grammar Pitch" in itself doesnt solve issue of the land needed to redevelop Oriel Park.

1. It would be virtually impossible legally to build a stadium across two parcels of land, one you own and one you rent.
2. The pathway to the Furry Glen is owned by the council. This is - in effect - the same problem as the other end. The club would need to buy the Joes pitch (family want it rezoned as residential too €€€) and the lane way in between owned by CIE.
Greenfield site is the only way to go if it is to be done correctly but you're then giving a fantastic location up. It's all a pipe dream though as bar a fan winning the Euro millions or us qualifying for a couple of champions League group stages it'll never happen. Anything that will be done to Oriel will be cosmetic only or maybe small stands at either end of the ground. It could become a nice little tidy ground like Turner's cross if the will and motivation was there.
I agree about a greenfield site, but the club would be mad to let Oriel Park go. The annual rent is a pittance in relation to the annual budget, and the benefits the ground provides, especially with the money already invested in the YDC. Remember there are already 4 underage boys sides, and the hope that Ladies and girls football might return. There is the added problem that - legally - the outgoing tenant is required to remove everything, and I mean everything.
Hence why the long term plan may be to have the training facility, academy etc. at Oriel and first team games being played elsewhere (was that the idea behind the AVIVA). Wonder would they try to do a deal with the Grammar School for use of their new development, with a long term plan to based academy kids in the school, who could organisie schooling around training etc., Oriel around the corner?? Suppose it will all depend on how many of the 5k capacity is covered and seated. Where else would a site be available around town, with the infrastructure needed to build a 5k+ ground, with potential to extend.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by GSBellew » Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:36 am

Pepsi wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:30 pm
oldfogey wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:22 pm
Louth4sam wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:31 pm

Greenfield site is the only way to go if it is to be done correctly but you're then giving a fantastic location up. It's all a pipe dream though as bar a fan winning the Euro millions or us qualifying for a couple of champions League group stages it'll never happen. Anything that will be done to Oriel will be cosmetic only or maybe small stands at either end of the ground. It could become a nice little tidy ground like Turner's cross if the will and motivation was there.
I agree about a greenfield site, but the club would be mad to let Oriel Park go. The annual rent is a pittance in relation to the annual budget, and the benefits the ground provides, especially with the money already invested in the YDC. Remember there are already 4 underage boys sides, and the hope that Ladies and girls football might return. There is the added problem that - legally - the outgoing tenant is required to remove everything, and I mean everything.
Hence why the long term plan may be to have the training facility, academy etc. at Oriel and first team games being played elsewhere (was that the idea behind the AVIVA). Wonder would they try to do a deal with the Grammar School for use of their new development, with a long term plan to based academy kids in the school, who could organisie schooling around training etc., Oriel around the corner?? Suppose it will all depend on how many of the 5k capacity is covered and seated. Where else would a site be available around town, with the infrastructure needed to build a 5k+ ground, with potential to extend.
The site of the proposed Altitude ski slope for one, direct motorway links, zoned as recreation, lots of space for expansion / parking, further from town yes, but if you want space to expand its going to be outside town.

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Re: Ground Standards

Post by dundalkfc1903 » Thu Apr 01, 2021 3:01 pm

A DFC superfan has just won the Euromillions and is gifting the club €7.5m for a new ground.

The fan insists that the ground should recognise the achievements of past players/ managers and/or long serving employees or volunteers...

What are the names of the 4 newly built stands, the 2 new bars, and the corporate lounge...

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