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cooney wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:05 am according to this weeks Pressbox, doesnt appear we got out LSSIF application in ffs how is that allowed?
So so frustrating. Look, I know it was volunteers doing this work that probably have full time jobs and other commitments but if time constraints were an issue, reach out for help. I've filled out a few grant applications and they can can involve a lot of work and it's a challenge for a small number of people taking this on. The group have done an amazing job so far and have some really good plans but probably needed some help getting this over the line.
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Louth4sam wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:13 am
cooney wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:05 am according to this weeks Pressbox, doesnt appear we got out LSSIF application in ffs how is that allowed?
So so frustrating. Look, I know it was volunteers doing this work that probably have full time jobs and other commitments but if time constraints were an issue, reach out for help. I've filled out a few grant applications and they can can involve a lot of work and it's a challenge for a small number of people taking this on. The group have done an amazing job so far and have some really good plans but probably needed some help getting this over the line.
They did reach out - as posted below on 18 June
Pepsi wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 8:41 pm https://x.com/DundalkFC/status/1803150465300918443

Maybe there is an expert here ....
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I mean ye they did reach out but 12 days before the deadline to start a process that at best would take 3 or 4 months to get together an application that would have any hope of success. The expertise were never gonna be located within the club so it’s one of these things you have to spend a couple of grand on people who do know their stuff. Reaching out on the 18th of June would indicate that the club only starting looking into it around that time. Given the quality of the masterplan put together by FAI and that it’s an election of year for a government looking to throw money everywhere in the budget in October this is a huge missed opportunity on the clubs part
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TrevDaRev2 wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:22 pm I mean ye they did reach out but 12 days before the deadline to start a process that at best would take 3 or 4 months to get together an application that would have any hope of success. The expertise were never gonna be located within the club so it’s one of these things you have to spend a couple of grand on people who do know their stuff. Reaching out on the 18th of June would indicate that the club only starting looking into it around that time. Given the quality of the masterplan put together by FAI and that it’s an election of year for a government looking to throw money everywhere in the budget in October this is a huge missed opportunity on the clubs part
I would second this Trev. A real missed opportunity it would seem. Sad
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oldfogey wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:06 pm
Louth4sam wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:13 am
cooney wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:05 am according to this weeks Pressbox, doesnt appear we got out LSSIF application in ffs how is that allowed?
So so frustrating. Look, I know it was volunteers doing this work that probably have full time jobs and other commitments but if time constraints were an issue, reach out for help. I've filled out a few grant applications and they can can involve a lot of work and it's a challenge for a small number of people taking this on. The group have done an amazing job so far and have some really good plans but probably needed some help getting this over the line.
They did reach out - as posted below on 18 June
Pepsi wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 8:41 pm https://x.com/DundalkFC/status/1803150465300918443

Maybe there is an expert here ....
That link isn't opening for me, but if I remember correctly, it was specialised expertise, not something that practically any our fans could help with.

Again I'm not knocking any of the efforts of those involved. It is a thankless task and I'm sure they did everything possible to get things over the line. It's still highly frustrating that we missed the deadline.
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Louth4sam wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 2:43 pm
oldfogey wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:06 pm
Louth4sam wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:13 am

So so frustrating. Look, I know it was volunteers doing this work that probably have full time jobs and other commitments but if time constraints were an issue, reach out for help. I've filled out a few grant applications and they can can involve a lot of work and it's a challenge for a small number of people taking this on. The group have done an amazing job so far and have some really good plans but probably needed some help getting this over the line.
They did reach out - as posted below on 18 June
Pepsi wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 8:41 pm https://x.com/DundalkFC/status/1803150465300918443

Maybe there is an expert here ....
That link isn't opening for me, but if I remember correctly, it was specialised expertise, not something that practically any our fans could help with.

Again I'm not knocking any of the efforts of those involved. It is a thankless task and I'm sure they did everything possible to get things over the line. It's still highly frustrating that we missed the deadline.
Yes was for a quantity surveyor or something to that effect. If you were serious about applying you would've went looking for someone like that in Feburary or March not less than two weeks out from the deadline. Im not knocking volunteers either but for those in paid positions who didnt priortise it i would have many many questions. Really lacks a sense of direction and ambition that we couldnt even get an application in. Dropped ball for sure
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With the amount of money available you should not be expecting volunteers to do it. Another cost cutting measure which will cost us heavily, quantity surveyors are in short demand and to expect any of them do it out of the good heart (assuming theres maybe 1 or 2 who support Dundalk) is bananas. Cant believe BA has fucked this too.
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dundog21 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:00 am With the amount of money available you should not be expecting volunteers to do it. Another cost cutting measure which will cost us heavily, quantity surveyors are in short demand and to expect any of them do it out of the good heart (assuming theres maybe 1 or 2 who support Dundalk) is bananas. Cant believe BA has fucked this too.
Would you ever get a grip .... where is the money available? Volunteers took it upon themselves to do this, do you even know if they were asked or encouraged by BA to do it? I am sure he would not say no, however did he instigate it?
How long has BA been in Oriel? Give the man time to clear the decks and put his own stamp on the place.
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Pepsi wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:17 pm
dundog21 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:00 am With the amount of money available you should not be expecting volunteers to do it. Another cost cutting measure which will cost us heavily, quantity surveyors are in short demand and to expect any of them do it out of the good heart (assuming theres maybe 1 or 2 who support Dundalk) is bananas. Cant believe BA has fucked this too.
Would you ever get a grip .... where is the money available? Volunteers took it upon themselves to do this, do you even know if they were asked or encouraged by BA to do it? I am sure he would not say no, however did he instigate it?
How long has BA been in Oriel? Give the man time to clear the decks and put his own stamp on the place.
Are you allergic to any fair criticism of Brian, the amount of money available in grants and he tried to get a quantity surveyor to do the work out of his own pocket weeks before the deadline, reeks of amateurism. Why would the authorities give us money when we made such a half arsed attempt of applying for it.A couple of grand for a professional to get the affairs in order could have gotten us a pretty sweet return on that investment.
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dundog21 wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:11 am
Pepsi wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:17 pm
dundog21 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:00 am With the amount of money available you should not be expecting volunteers to do it. Another cost cutting measure which will cost us heavily, quantity surveyors are in short demand and to expect any of them do it out of the good heart (assuming theres maybe 1 or 2 who support Dundalk) is bananas. Cant believe BA has fucked this too.
Would you ever get a grip .... where is the money available? Volunteers took it upon themselves to do this, do you even know if they were asked or encouraged by BA to do it? I am sure he would not say no, however did he instigate it?
How long has BA been in Oriel? Give the man time to clear the decks and put his own stamp on the place.
Are you allergic to any fair criticism of Brian, the amount of money available in grants and he tried to get a quantity surveyor to do the work out of his own pocket weeks before the deadline, reeks of amateurism. Why would the authorities give us money when we made such a half arsed attempt of applying for it.A couple of grand for a professional to get the affairs in order could have gotten us a pretty sweet return on that investment.
Again .. was Brian the driving force behind the project or did he just say ... lads get on with it and see what happens. Brians business contacts in and around Dublins building world would know many quantity surveyors who he could get in if needed. I suspect, he seen it as a year too early as he is only in a wet day. The crowd up the road started the process of putting their application together approx. 18 months ago and it was part of their sales pitch to the Yanks. BA had other more pressing problems to deal with in his opening 6 months other than grant applications, however it again proves fan expectations are off the wall and that you clearly dont have a clue what goes into putting an application together.
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Pepsi wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 12:49 pm
dundog21 wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:11 am
Pepsi wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:17 pm

Would you ever get a grip .... where is the money available? Volunteers took it upon themselves to do this, do you even know if they were asked or encouraged by BA to do it? I am sure he would not say no, however did he instigate it?
How long has BA been in Oriel? Give the man time to clear the decks and put his own stamp on the place.
Are you allergic to any fair criticism of Brian, the amount of money available in grants and he tried to get a quantity surveyor to do the work out of his own pocket weeks before the deadline, reeks of amateurism. Why would the authorities give us money when we made such a half arsed attempt of applying for it.A couple of grand for a professional to get the affairs in order could have gotten us a pretty sweet return on that investment.
Again .. was Brian the driving force behind the project or did he just say ... lads get on with it and see what happens. Brians business contacts in and around Dublins building world would know many quantity surveyors who he could get in if needed. I suspect, he seen it as a year too early as he is only in a wet day. The crowd up the road started the process of putting their application together approx. 18 months ago and it was part of their sales pitch to the Yanks. BA had other more pressing problems to deal with in his opening 6 months other than grant applications, however it again proves fan expectations are off the wall and that you clearly dont have a clue what goes into putting an application together.
We've missed out on what is effectively free money because of a half arsed attitude towards applying for it. This is indefensible stuff.
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dundog21 wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:46 pm
Pepsi wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 12:49 pm
dundog21 wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:11 am

Are you allergic to any fair criticism of Brian, the amount of money available in grants and he tried to get a quantity surveyor to do the work out of his own pocket weeks before the deadline, reeks of amateurism. Why would the authorities give us money when we made such a half arsed attempt of applying for it.A couple of grand for a professional to get the affairs in order could have gotten us a pretty sweet return on that investment.
Again .. was Brian the driving force behind the project or did he just say ... lads get on with it and see what happens. Brians business contacts in and around Dublins building world would know many quantity surveyors who he could get in if needed. I suspect, he seen it as a year too early as he is only in a wet day. The crowd up the road started the process of putting their application together approx. 18 months ago and it was part of their sales pitch to the Yanks. BA had other more pressing problems to deal with in his opening 6 months other than grant applications, however it again proves fan expectations are off the wall and that you clearly dont have a clue what goes into putting an application together.
We've missed out on what is effectively free money because of a half arsed attitude towards applying for it. This is indefensible stuff.
So why did we not apply under any other previous ownership?
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niall_hearty2000 wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:58 pm
dundog21 wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:46 pm
Pepsi wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 12:49 pm

Again .. was Brian the driving force behind the project or did he just say ... lads get on with it and see what happens. Brians business contacts in and around Dublins building world would know many quantity surveyors who he could get in if needed. I suspect, he seen it as a year too early as he is only in a wet day. The crowd up the road started the process of putting their application together approx. 18 months ago and it was part of their sales pitch to the Yanks. BA had other more pressing problems to deal with in his opening 6 months other than grant applications, however it again proves fan expectations are off the wall and that you clearly dont have a clue what goes into putting an application together.
We've missed out on what is effectively free money because of a half arsed attitude towards applying for it. This is indefensible stuff.
So why did we not apply under any other previous ownership?
Is there any point crying over spilled milk,Id be more worried about how were being run in the present than in the last couple years.
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dundog21 wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:05 pm
niall_hearty2000 wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:58 pm
dundog21 wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:46 pm

We've missed out on what is effectively free money because of a half arsed attitude towards applying for it. This is indefensible stuff.
So why did we not apply under any other previous ownership?
Is there any point crying over spilled milk,Id be more worried about how were being run in the present than in the last couple years.
So you only have a gripe with Ainscough and not the failure of either of the previous ownerships?
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niall_hearty2000 wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:11 pm
dundog21 wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:05 pm
niall_hearty2000 wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:58 pm

So why did we not apply under any other previous ownership?
Is there any point crying over spilled milk,Id be more worried about how were being run in the present than in the last couple years.
So you only have a gripe with Ainscough and not the failure of either of the previous ownerships?
Pretty impressive that that is what you took from my post, Brian is the current owner and is responsible for the aforementioned failures. Do you want me to have a go at SS or P6 for starting to apply for grants less than a month before the deadline? With the floodlights and pitch that need to be fixed pretty soon, I'd have hoped that applying for grants that could help take care of this would have been a priority.
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