V Shels 02/09/22

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V Shels 02/09/22

Post by niall_hearty2000 » Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:22 pm

Massive game. Really need to start a run of form. Hopefully the highline is dropped tonight.
Shep
Macari
Boyle
Lewis
Bone
Sloggett
Martin
Bradley
Ward
Mountney
O' Kane
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McMillan
Cherrie gk
Byrne gk

No Benson Kelly or Hoban. Bare bones on the bench.
On a separate note what is causing the constant injuries? State of the pitch, bad luck or poor conditioning ?
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Re: V Shels 02/09/22

Post by seand » Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:45 pm

Looking ropey again with the Hugh line but really should be ahead.... Martin missed a sitter and should have been a red for Shels for the foul anda pen for Wardy. Need the 3 points with Derry and Pats winning

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Re: V Shels 02/09/22

Post by Towelie » Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:47 pm

Missed two great chances, thought we did alright but we're seriously missing Pat up top. Hope he's back sooner rather than later.

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Re: V Shels 02/09/22

Post by seand » Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:13 am

Yeh, we were the better team despite some loose moments, but Hoban is a massive loss. Martin's miss was ridiculous, and a can't believe Hoban wouldn't have gobbled up one of Wardy's better crosses. Bit of bad luck with calls going against us, but you make your own luck and we should be able to put away a team as mediocre as that kunt Duff's hateful Shels.

Big night, in a bad way, with Derry moving away from us and Pats just two points behind with a game in hand. For the first time I feel Pats are slight favourites to nick third place. Still, fourth would be good enough for Europe if us, Derry or Rovers win the cup.

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Re: V Shels 02/09/22

Post by niall_hearty2000 » Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:12 am

seand wrote: Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:13 am Yeh, we were the better team despite some loose moments, but Hoban is a massive loss. Martin's miss was ridiculous, and a can't believe Hoban wouldn't have gobbled up one of Wardy's better crosses. Bit of bad luck with calls going against us, but you make your own luck and we should be able to put away a team as mediocre as that kunt Duff's hateful Shels.

Big night, in a bad way, with Derry moving away from us and Pats just two points behind with a game in hand. For the first time I feel Pats are slight favourites to nick third place. Still, fourth would be good enough for Europe if us, Derry or Rovers win the cup.
But only two of those three can potentially be in the semi draw as Derry play RVs, and our tie away to Waterford is not even close to being a gimmie.we are currently bang out of form,whilst pats are bang in form. Effectively we need three big wins before we play pats on Oct 7th, ucd away Drogheda at home and of course Waterford away in the cup.
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Re: V Shels 02/09/22

Post by Richie87 » Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:02 am

Pats made a couple of very good summer signings. Barry Cotter and Serge Atakayi have made a big impact for them. Harry Brockbank been solid also.
Ryan Graydon and Diallo have made a big impact with Derry also.

The 3 players Dundalk have brought in haven't hit the ground running like those players. Alfie Lewis is decent if given space. McCourt was injury prone before he signed.

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Re: V Shels 02/09/22

Post by Martin Lawlor80 » Sat Sep 03, 2022 11:44 am

Richie87 wrote: Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:02 am Pats made a couple of very good summer signings. Barry Cotter and Serge Atakayi have made a big impact for them. Harry Brockbank been solid also.
Ryan Graydon and Diallo have made a big impact with Derry also.

The 3 players Dundalk have brought in haven't hit the ground running like those players. Alfie Lewis is decent if given space. McCourt was injury prone before he signed.
Not to mention Connolly. Watch Derry conceding very few goals until the end of the season.

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Re: V Shels 02/09/22

Post by mike » Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:17 pm

The only summer signing we made of note was Alfie Lewis, but at the same time Ryan O'Kane is like another.

Sluggish performance and from a position of being almost 75% chance of clinching a euro spot in July, we are not 50/50 at best, I get the 4th pace thing / cup impact, but we need to be cementing down 3rd spot to make sure .

Plus would be so disappointing after the displays from April to July when we were second too for a bit good to throw it all away, plus the coefficient remember will be high enough for two rounds seeded if we make it.

I think we will still finish 3rd, but have got to beat Pats at home, and to start getting some points away from home, UCD would be nice.

On the negative side, Pats are really in top form, and getting too close for comfort.

Thin squad starting to show, Hoban, Benson and Kelly 3 huge losses.

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Re: V Shels 02/09/22

Post by oldfogey » Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:35 pm

mike wrote: Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:17 pm
Plus would be so disappointing after the displays from April to July when we were second too for a bit good to throw it all away, plus the coefficient remember will be high enough for two rounds seeded if we make it.
There is an interesting side story relating to the Cup and Europe.

Historically - where the Cup winners came from the top 3 - the relevant spot(CW) was allocated to 4th in the league. As all 3 spots (CW, N2 & N3) entered at the QR1 it didn't really matter. If we have a repeat of this year then the cup winners will automatically go straight into QR2. That's fine if the winners finish second or third as they would happily grab the CW spot first and N4 will get the Conference. What happens if Rovers do the double? Who get the CW spot?

Of course it's actually the FAI who put forward clubs for UEFA Competition, as Waterford found to their cost some years ago.

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Re: V Shels 02/09/22

Post by TrevDaRev2 » Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:55 pm

Waterford were denied participation under UEFA rules not FAI as they were reconstituted and rules stated you needed to be in existence 3 years I think

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Re: V Shels 02/09/22

Post by seand » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:06 pm

If Rovers do the double there's no FAI Cup spot, 2nd,, 3rd and 4th qualify, and in that case second in the league would skip the first round as the 'best' Irish team in the Conference

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Re: V Shels 02/09/22

Post by mike » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:26 pm

In other words, if Rovers or Derry win the cup, and we finish 4th we get the Conf League spot. On the other hand if Bohs or Shels win it, and we come 4th we would miss out.

Safest option is to finish 3rd, or win the cup of course !

In the 80's the loser of the FAI Cup got into the ECWC even if they finished outside top places, if they lost to the league winners. Galway 85, Waterford 86, and us in 1987 (V Ajax) entered the ECWC by that route, that avenue is long since shut down.

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Re: V Shels 02/09/22

Post by Richie87 » Sat Sep 03, 2022 5:15 pm

It will be interesting to see if Bohs get a new manager before the Cup tie with Shelbourne, or stick with Trevor Croly and Derek Pender until end of season.
They had a good win last night , away to Derry next week.

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Re: V Shels 02/09/22

Post by oldfogey » Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:39 pm

TrevDaRev2 wrote: Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:55 pm Waterford were denied participation under UEFA rules not FAI as they were reconstituted and rules stated you needed to be in existence 3 years I think
The national organisation is responsible for putting forward the various teams for each competition. The FAI (probably JD) promised Waterford they would be fine but then didn't propose them. Obviously there were background discussions with UEFA who made plain that their situation wouldn't pass muster but it would appear this wasn't communicated to club. I was working in the office the year Derry & Cork were bypassed and we made Europe from 6th. We received hints early on that we might be entered and were already working on the process before it was announced.

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Re: V Shels 02/09/22

Post by oldfogey » Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:48 pm

seand wrote: Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:06 pm If Rovers do the double there's no FAI Cup spot, 2nd,, 3rd and 4th qualify, and in that case second in the league would skip the first round as the 'best' Irish team in the Conference
The link below takes you to Bert Kassies Bible of all things Euro. The Cup Winner (CW) slot is clearly different to finishing position in the league (N2/N3). If Rovers do the double and the FAI propose Derry as CW then it just becomes a case of changing the rules each year to suit the narrative.

https://kassiesa.net/uefa/AccessList2022.html

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