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niall_hearty2000 wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:37 pm
Richie87 wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:59 pm Derry had to pay a fee for Connolly as he had 12 months left on his contract at Dundee United. They were also able to offer better wages then Dundalk. Dundalk didn't have European football last year so the money wasn't there.
So what's the excuse this season?

Which players should they have signed? They don't have the money of Derry City or Shamrock Rovers. Bohemians have their fan owned model and the they are in a stable financial footing, and have done well from players sales. Promise and Dawson Devoy both went for over 100 k each. Evan Ferguson in the future could land them millions with a 15 or 20 % sell on clause.

Pats have sold players to the Uk for good money .and to Italy. James Abankwah went for 650 k. Sam Curtis will probaly go for a good fee.

When did Dundalk last get a fee for a player? Colovic back to Serbia for a minimal fee.
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Richie87 wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:46 pm
niall_hearty2000 wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:37 pm
Richie87 wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:59 pm Derry had to pay a fee for Connolly as he had 12 months left on his contract at Dundee United. They were also able to offer better wages then Dundalk. Dundalk didn't have European football last year so the money wasn't there.
So what's the excuse this season?

Which players should they have signed? They don't have the money of Derry City or Shamrock Rovers. Bohemians have their fan owned model and the they are in a stable financial footing, and have done well from players sales. Promise and Dawson Devoy both went for over 100 k each. Evan Ferguson in the future could land them millions with a 15 or 20 % sell on clause.

Pats have sold players to the Uk for good money .and to Italy. James Abankwah went for 650 k. Sam Curtis will probaly go for a good fee.

When did Dundalk last get a fee for a player? Colovic back to Serbia for a minimal fee.
Richie the point is ... if we dont have players under contract we will never sell any let alone make a profit on any. Sheps is most likely one of our best assets .... his contract is running out so we are not in a position to ask for a big fee. Likewise, with all respect to the setup, players and coaches, we dont seem to have the level of player in our youth system that is attracting bigger clubs attention to an extent of us being in a position to ask for a (big) fee. If we have the players they are not being marketed in the correct manner, something certainly doesnt add up.
Sometimes in business you have to invest to get a return. The owners seem to be working within a very tight budget and you would have to question their reasons for owning the club. Looking at last seasons accounts you would have to ask yourself if we are a nice to have and a nice little tax asset for their company. Where AC fits into that ... I am not sure, however it seems SS are calling the shots. Add to that their very open advertising for investment, as an investor I would ask myself what do these lads want from me? Are they serious about the business or is it a case of ... they want to stay involved and I pump in the money to do what they are not willing or able to do? I suspect, this is part of the reason that we still have no investor.
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Richie87 wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:46 pm
niall_hearty2000 wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:37 pm
Richie87 wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:59 pm Derry had to pay a fee for Connolly as he had 12 months left on his contract at Dundee United. They were also able to offer better wages then Dundalk. Dundalk didn't have European football last year so the money wasn't there.
So what's the excuse this season?

Which players should they have signed? They don't have the money of Derry City or Shamrock Rovers. Bohemians have their fan owned model and the they are in a stable financial footing, and have done well from players sales. Promise and Dawson Devoy both went for over 100 k each. Evan Ferguson in the future could land them millions with a 15 or 20 % sell on clause.

Pats have sold players to the Uk for good money .and to Italy. James Abankwah went for 650 k. Sam Curtis will probaly go for a good fee.

When did Dundalk last get a fee for a player? Colovic back to Serbia for a minimal fee.
They could look at keeping Sheppard ?
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When he has offers in UK they wouldn't be able to compete with that. Derry and Shamrock Rovers are wealthy in Irish terms but have lost players to League 1.
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Richie87 wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:31 pm When he has offers in UK they wouldn't be able to compete with that. Derry and Shamrock Rovers are wealthy in Irish terms but have lost players to League 1.
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And you know he has offers from the UK do you?
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James Rogers mentioned it on the Pressbox podcast about 2 month's ago . He said he could be off in the summer or more likely at end of the season with UK interest.

He came from Brentford and was a Welsh U21, the English clubs would obviously be following his development.
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Richie87 wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:31 pm When he has offers in UK they wouldn't be able to compete with that. Derry and Shamrock Rovers are wealthy in Irish terms but have lost players to League 1.
Eoin Toal, Ryan Graydon, Danny Mandroiu
It’s all irrelevant if he is not in contract. If they get him on a 3 year deal and somebody wants him they will have to pay for him. He is far and away our best player and best asset. Fantastic young keeper who will only get better.
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Pepsi wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:19 pm
Richie the point is ... if we dont have players under contract we will never sell any let alone make a profit on any. Sheps is most likely one of our best assets .... his contract is running out so we are not in a position to ask for a big fee. Likewise, with all respect to the setup, players and coaches, we dont seem to have the level of player in our youth system that is attracting bigger clubs attention to an extent of us being in a position to ask for a (big) fee. If we have the players they are not being marketed in the correct manner, something certainly doesnt add up.
Sometimes in business you have to invest to get a return. The owners seem to be working within a very tight budget and you would have to question their reasons for owning the club. Looking at last seasons accounts you would have to ask yourself if we are a nice to have and a nice little tax asset for their company. Where AC fits into that ... I am not sure, however it seems SS are calling the shots. Add to that their very open advertising for investment, as an investor I would ask myself what do these lads want from me? Are they serious about the business or is it a case of ... they want to stay involved and I pump in the money to do what they are not willing or able to do? I suspect, this is part of the reason that we still have no investor.
Nail on the head for me. Shep should be signed on a 18month contract with option to add another year. At worst you've got a very solid keeper tied down for at least another season and at best you've increased his sale price when someone in England (i think inevitably) comes knockin seeking his services. He'd be the perfect profile for many clubs in League 1. To let his contract lapse lacks intent and ambition in my opinion, assuming that he's not asking for a massive increase on his current wage but we'll never know that I suppose

From what I can gather there's not too many beyond Senan Mullen and maybe Anthony Moyo at academy level that look like they're gonna make a good crack at League of Ireland level, but then it'll always be a case of unknowns because youth players never seen to get much minutes which is the opposite to most other teams, Pats, Rovers, Bohs, Shels all giving young lads minutes weekly. That probably comes down to our attitude towards academy which I think to be fair to the Yanks the at least tried to put some shape on it. Historically it has been left to rot and has basically just been a tick the box for licensing. You've also the issue of half the academy being young lads who haven't cut it in dublin coming down for their last rool of the dice at 17s or 19s level, so there's no clear pathway or ethos. Need to be sourcing players relatively locally and we've a good catchment. Drogheda are gonna end up with investment and they will have a state of the art academy and apparently are fairly advanced in their plans for this. It'll leave us firmly in the shadows

Lastly on the investor front i think its notable that its all gone quiet. What are you pitching realistically, a first team squad thats overachieving imo and might make europe next year, a youth structure that strikes me as just being there for the sake of it, and facilities that make most others in the league look state of the art. If you've a couple of hundred thousand to throw at that i have 6 magic beans for sale
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Does anyone actually know what our budget is this season? Ok much smaller than Peak6 or even the last couple of FF seasons but I hazard to say its a hell of a lot larger than most other Prem clubs. With the exception of Rvrs, Derry and now Pats who are also now also pricing us out.
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bigalan wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:35 am Does anyone actually know what our budget is this season? Ok much smaller than Peak6 or even the last couple of FF seasons but I hazard to say its a hell of a lot larger than most other Prem clubs. With the exception of Rvrs, Derry and now Pats who are also now also pricing us out.
Nobody on here knows what our budget is and anyone who says they do has an agenda. My guess is that we are behind Bohs now as well. I think they've increased their budget significantly with recent sales including the Doherty money.

I wouldn't agree that it is a hell of a lot larger than most clubs. I'd say there wouldn't be much difference between ours, Bohs, Shels and Sligo. But I am guessing based on the squad quality of each, a few big names and some unknowns
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Yes they could tie him down to a longer deal so they could at least make a profit,but some players like to keep the options open. He could still sign a new contract at the end of the season if they have Europe in 24.
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magarnagle wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:43 am
bigalan wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:35 am Does anyone actually know what our budget is this season? Ok much smaller than Peak6 or even the last couple of FF seasons but I hazard to say its a hell of a lot larger than most other Prem clubs. With the exception of Rvrs, Derry and now Pats who are also now also pricing us out.
Nobody on here knows what our budget is and anyone who says they do has an agenda. My guess is that we are behind Bohs now as well. I think they've increased their budget significantly with recent sales including the Doherty money.

I wouldn't agree that it is a hell of a lot larger than most clubs. I'd say there wouldn't be much difference between ours, Bohs, Shels and Sligo. But I am guessing based on the squad quality of each, a few big names and some unknowns
Bohs done well on a few off the off field things like the Bob Marley jersey sales
https://www.businesspost.ie/news/bohemi ... ll-shirts/

With the new Dalymount in a couple of years with 8,000 capacity, they'll be getting decent revenue.
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We are going from one new ownership to the next. In just over a decade we have had four new sets of owners, with the current ones openly seeking investment.the opportunity to build a dynasty on the pitch and to invest in either an academy or infrastructure was in 2016. And 2020. We didn't. As you say bohs have some novel ways of generating income streams. Is there a marketing manager in the club or someone actively trying to get revenue streams up and running and into the club? We can't even get sponsorship for the full squad and even require our club sponsor to sponsor some matches. There appears to be no plan in place for the academy and certainly no plans to improve the infrastructure. We seem to fall from one ownership to the next with no forward plan. And with four different owners in the previous decade realistically we can't have any plans in place. So unless we get the council / government / FAI involved with sports grants or a €30-40m windfall from somewhere then ultimately we never will.
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Yilli KoKo staying until season’s end.
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