2023 Season General Thread

[dundalkfc1903]

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[dundalkfc1903]

I've seen that said a few times about nothing to show for our European runs.
What if the owners had not kept the successful squads together and said we are instead investing X amount into Oriel and other facilities. Say McEleney and Shields went to Rovers instead of offering improved contracts to keep them....what would the fan response have been?!

There would have been plenty of bitching and moaning but ultimatly if they were outside of our budget, they were outside of our budget.

I think there was enough money to do both. After expenses we earned €3.5M in 2016. A third of that should have been put towards infrastructure in Oriel at the very least. It's also a shame we didn't look at investing in the Derryhale or even look at a bar in town to raise revenue outside of match nights.

Ye I agree. If we've blown near €10 million on players wages in 11 seasons that's just terrible budgeting. There was enough cash about to do both. Not buying that excuse. Different if you'd top notch facilities already with huge maintenance costs, but surely you'd put money aside as leverage for a loan for development works if you were bothered enough

Thats less than 1 million a year...I would think Rovers playing budget is twice that.

[dundalkfc1903]

Feels like we've gone back in time to November 2021. All the uncertainty and the chaos of the Dundalk rumour mill. I don't believe the post about Hoban on facebook personally. Hopefully it's a load of sh*te, but you have to wonder what people get from spreading this type of thing.

Patrick will speak his mind anyway if it is true.

[TrevDaRev2]

There would have been plenty of bitching and moaning but ultimatly if they were outside of our budget, they were outside of our budget.

I think there was enough money to do both. After expenses we earned €3.5M in 2016. A third of that should have been put towards infrastructure in Oriel at the very least. It's also a shame we didn't look at investing in the Derryhale or even look at a bar in town to raise revenue outside of match nights.

Ye I agree. If we've blown near €10 million on players wages in 11 seasons that's just terrible budgeting. There was enough cash about to do both. Not buying that excuse. Different if you'd top notch facilities already with huge maintenance costs, but surely you'd put money aside as leverage for a loan for development works if you were bothered enough

Thats less than 1 million a year...I would think Rovers playing budget is twice that.

1 million additional, on top of all other earnings. We've way over shot the runway with European money baked in as guaranteed. Chickens coming home to roost now

[dundalkfc1903]

Ye I agree. If we've blown near €10 million on players wages in 11 seasons that's just terrible budgeting. There was enough cash about to do both. Not buying that excuse. Different if you'd top notch facilities already with huge maintenance costs, but surely you'd put money aside as leverage for a loan for development works if you were bothered enough

Thats less than 1 million a year...I would think Rovers playing budget is twice that.

1 million additional, on top of all other earnings. We've way over shot the runway with European money baked in as guaranteed. Chickens coming home to roost now

But the other earnings are not really significant. Ticket sales from a core of 2,000 fans and a bit of sponsorship. Europe is the only means of surviving. Not even thriving, just surviving.

[colymull]

The Hoban rumour seems far fetched, to a degree. He may have been told that he'll have to fight for his place next season, but he is coming to the end of his career so this wouldn't be a surprise. He has a year left on his contract so unless someone comes into buy him, then he'll still be here next season. Also, the FB post is more or less blaming the owners for this, surely it's the manger who would tell a player he's not in his plans? It seems like the person on FB heard something and let his mind run away with him!!

[brodser]

Conor McGregor will save us - God help us.

[TrevDaRev2]

Thats less than 1 million a year...I would think Rovers playing budget is twice that.

1 million additional, on top of all other earnings. We've way over shot the runway with European money baked in as guaranteed. Chickens coming home to roost now

But the other earnings are not really significant. Ticket sales from a core of 2,000 fans and a bit of sponsorship. Europe is the only means of surviving. Not even thriving, just surviving.

Every club without regular european money seems to cope ok with it though why are we an exception? 16 clubs a year don't get it

[brodser]

Conor McGregor will save the club - God help us if that ever happens.

[dundalkfc1903]

1 million additional, on top of all other earnings. We've way over shot the runway with European money baked in as guaranteed. Chickens coming home to roost now

But the other earnings are not really significant. Ticket sales from a core of 2,000 fans and a bit of sponsorship. Europe is the only means of surviving. Not even thriving, just surviving.

Every club without regular european money seems to cope ok with it though why are we an exception? 16 clubs a year don't get it

Youre saying that the teams in the first division are doing ok? If thats the definition of coping........

[niall_hearty2000]

I've seen that said a few times about nothing to show for our European runs.
What if the owners had not kept the successful squads together and said we are instead investing X amount into Oriel and other facilities. Say McEleney and Shields went to Rovers instead of offering improved contracts to keep them....what would the fan response have been?!

There would have been plenty of bitching and moaning but ultimatly if they were outside of our budget, they were outside of our budget.

I think there was enough money to do both. After expenses we earned €3.5M in 2016. A third of that should have been put towards infrastructure in Oriel at the very least. It's also a shame we didn't look at investing in the Derryhale or even look at a bar in town to raise revenue outside of match nights.

Ye I agree. If we've blown near €10 million on players wages in 11 seasons that's just terrible budgeting. There was enough cash about to do both. Not buying that excuse. Different if you'd top notch facilities already with huge maintenance costs, but surely you'd put money aside as leverage for a loan for development works if you were bothered enough

realistically for a team top of the loi pile what is a competitive budget to keep them there to constantly generate the European income year on year to keep us there? Is €20k a week an outlandish figure to find this along with all other aspects of the club? That alone is just over €1m a year which after 11 seasons equates to €11,440,000. Gate receipts have never been high enough to sustain us. So to say we can achieve title success after title success and look after the updating of Oriel is totally unrealistic imho. Oriel is a kip and has been in all my 46 years supporting the club. It won't without major investment. But we need a change of ownership badly

[Dundalk10]

The Hoban rumour seems far fetched, to a degree. He may have been told that he'll have to fight for his place next season, but he is coming to the end of his career so this wouldn't be a surprise. He has a year left on his contract so unless someone comes into buy him, then he'll still be here next season. Also, the FB post is more or less blaming the owners for this, surely it's the manger who would tell a player he's not in his plans? It seems like the person on FB heard something and let his mind run away with him!!

Wouldn't be surprised. I believe all the players have been told if they get an offer they can go.
Apparently tomorrow night will be Slogget's last home game for Dundalk. Some people have been saying for a while now that the club has no money, not a cent, and the recent 'wage issue' has proved that.

[Dundalk10]

But the other earnings are not really significant. Ticket sales from a core of 2,000 fans and a bit of sponsorship. Europe is the only means of surviving. Not even thriving, just surviving.

Every club without regular european money seems to cope ok with it though why are we an exception? 16 clubs a year don't get it

Youre saying that the teams in the first division are doing ok? If thats the definition of coping........

The definition of coping for any business would be the ability to pay it's staff.

[BigChief]

Is there any good news ???

[oldfogey]

Everyone seems to be focusing on SS as the root cause of our problems.

The real issue lies on the pitch/in training/in the dressing room. Time and again we have flattered to deceive, either falling behind early, or not holding on to a lead. The were very few league games where the performance represented the value of the playing squad. If you take away the Cup win against Rovers, there has hardly been a game which instilled confidence that we were getting anywhere close to our potential. Add in the European performances and the concession of 4 goals in 32 minutes away to Galway, and you are looking at a zero return for the year

StatSports may have got things wrong off the pitch, but I doubt that they were dictating team selection, style of play, or who to recruit.