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I started this last season but for some reason never kept it up, not sure why, so will do it again for 2023.

There has been a lot of discussion about our core support lately, why others don't come (lack of toilets for kids, esp girls, lack of cover, overall outdated facility) and probably other reasons too. Below shows from UCD game we have 3,100 core fans, maybe there are another 900 out there who pick and chose, but remember during SK era, 3k or just over was about as high as it got, apart from Cork City games and trophy night games where it got to 4k+.

I think 3,761 was a little bit disappointing for a home game v Rovers when we were miles ahead of them (points wise, nothing else !) but it was a terrible evening, rained non stop, but we are back to the hardcore 3k here !!!! That said it really should have been a 4k game.

A reminder of where it was left see further below.

2023

Fri 17- Feb.........UCD.............3,142.......(Average below first brackets)...............(away support estimate second brackets.........42?)
Fri 03- Mar.........St Pats.........3,487.......(3,314).................................................(500)
Mon 06-Mar........Shels...........2,766.......(3,132).................................................(350)
Fri 31- Mar.........Rovers..........3,761.......(3,289).................................................(650)
Fri 07- April........Sligo.............2,457.......(3,123).................................................(150)
Fri 14- April........Derry............2,377.......(2,999)..................................................(450)
Fri 28-April.........Drogs...........2,825.......(2,974)..................................................(500)
Fri 12-May..........Cork City
Fri 19-May..........Bohs












2022
Fri 18/02 - Derry City............................3,600
Mon 28/02 - Finn Harps.........................2,676........6,276......(3,138)
Mon 14/03 - Sham Rovers......................3,546 ..... 9,822......(3,274)
Fri 01/04 - UCD....................................2,053 .....11,875.....(2,968)
Fri 15/04 - Sligo Rovers........................ 2,516.....14,391.....(2,878)
Fri 22/04 - Shelbourne...........................2,427.....16,818......(2,803)
Fri 29/04 - Drogheda Utd .......................2,832......19,650.....(2,807)
Fri 13/05 - Bohemians..........................2,748.........22,398....(2,799)
Fri 27/05 - St Patricks............................2,889 ......25,287.....(2,809)
Fri 17/06 - Shamrock Rovers..................3,409......28,696......(2,870)
Fri 01/07 - UCD....................................2,241.......30,937.....(2,812)
Fri 22/07 - Finn Harps...........................2,016.......32,953.....(2,746)
Fri 05/08 - Derry City...............................2,856..............35,809.....(2,754)
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It still looks like we are getting a bit of a boost in numbers compared with last year as seems to be the case around the league. Cheers for keeping track of this Mike.
mike wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:33 pm I started this last season but for some reason never kept it up, not sure why, so will do it again for 2023.

There has been a lot of discussion about our core support lately, why others don't come (lack of toilets for kids, esp girls, lack of cover, overall outdated facility) and probably other reasons too. Below shows from UCD game we have 3,100 core fans, maybe there are another 900 out there who pick and chose, but remember during SK era, 3k or just over was about as high as it got, apart from Cork City games and trophy night games where it got to 4k+.

I think 3,761 was a little bit disappointing for a home game v Rovers when we were miles ahead of them (points wise, nothing else !) but it was a terrible evening, rained non stop, but we are back to the hardcore 3k here !!!! That said it really should have been a 4k game.

A reminder of where it was left see further below.

2023

Fri 17- Feb.........UCD.............3,142.......(Average below first brackets)...............(away support estimate second brackets.........42?)
Fri 03- Mar.........St Pats.........3,487.......(3,314).................................................(500)
Mon 06-Mar........Shels...........2,766.......(3,132).................................................(350)
Fri 31- Mar.........Rovers..........3,761.......(3,289).................................................(650)
Fri 07- April........Sligo.........
Fri 14- April........Derry
Fri 28-April.........Drogs
Fri 12-May..........Cork City
Fri 19-May..........Bohs












2022
Fri 18/02 - Derry City............................3,600
Mon 28/02 - Finn Harps.........................2,676........6,276......(3,138)
Mon 14/03 - Sham Rovers......................3,546 ..... 9,822......(3,274)
Fri 01/04 - UCD....................................2,053 .....11,875.....(2,968)
Fri 15/04 - Sligo Rovers........................ 2,516.....14,391.....(2,878)
Fri 22/04 - Shelbourne...........................2,427.....16,818......(2,803)
Fri 29/04 - Drogheda Utd .......................2,832......19,650.....(2,807)
Fri 13/05 - Bohemians..........................2,748.........22,398....(2,799)
Fri 27/05 - St Patricks............................2,889 ......25,287.....(2,809)
Fri 17/06 - Shamrock Rovers..................3,409......28,696......(2,870)
Fri 01/07 - UCD....................................2,241.......30,937.....(2,812)
Fri 22/07 - Finn Harps...........................2,016.......32,953.....(2,746)
Fri 05/08 - Derry City...............................2,856..............35,809.....(2,754)
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2,457 v Sligo and figs updated, we will have a good away support from Derry next home game, the Sun might help them, but it won't be too attractive for us, then Drogs will take a good bit following home game and Bohs will pack out after that, but only for these game, our avg would def slip below 3k, it might still.

Also loads still away on easter holidays and modest away support last night (150?), but if Sham Rovers took 650 last Fri it meant we had around 3,100 home support, then compare this to Sligo game, it means almost 800 home fans were unable / decided not to attend, I would be thinking more fall into the latter which is a little disappointing.
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2,377 at Derry game and figures updated on first post, we have slipped to just under 3k (by 1) !

Moving from Friday to Sunday would have knocked at least 500 off it, but with 450 away fans (estimate), less than 2k home fans turned up, its also the lowest of the season to date.
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I never really got going in the attendances thread last year, probably due to frustration that some of the figures called out just looked incorrect, anyway I`ll have another go this season.

A reminder on the opening game last season with less than 10 away fans was v UCD.............3,142. Galway will prob take 300 on Friday, so the challenge is for us to get a crowd of 3,300 if that possible ? After last game v Rovers that will help as even those who didn't go would have seen the excellent performance on RTE, I think we should be capable of 3k home fans, but I wouldn't be banking on for reasons I made further below.

From foot.ie our end of season avg was only 2,600 so a lot of work required and we will need to be hitting 3k for most games to improve, plus if Sligo improve on results and Waterford and Galway have decent first seasons up, we could be second lowest even at 3k as Drogs only have capacity of 2.2K (they wouldn't get 3k in any case).

As much as crowds have rocketed all over the league, worth noting ours has been almost consistent at around 2,700 over 10 years and this obv included SK era.

A good few reasons, facilities is top, any given rainy night I always think this takes up to 500 out, away fans not great what we can offer (but no different to what Pats and Shels offer majority away fans), but we seem to suffer from a lot of lazy fan choice games, I think we all know loads from respective groups who will say 'Ah I`ll not head to that game, will go the next one' etc. For crowds to increase we need fans attending almost every home game or only missing for rare occasions.

All below from foot.ie - first column is 2023 avg then 2022, etc.

Bohs - 4,243 (3,209 {2022};2,878{19}; 2,148; 2,006; 1,627; 1,724; 1,395; 1,597; 1,496; 1,488)
Cork - 3,666 (3,517 FD; 2,505; 4,245; 4,559; 2,533; 3,263; 3,777; 1,965; 2,786; 2,128 FD)
Derry - 3,336 (3,184; 2,049; 2,297; 1,517; 1,563; 1,124; 1,106; 1,446; 1,460; 2,135)
Drogheda - 1,916 (1,941; 721 FD; ; 377 FD; 850; 583 FD; 813; 1,064; 817; 977; 811)
Dundalk - 2,636 (2,689; 2,775; 2,738; 2,674; 2,738; 3,158; 2,534; 1,997; 949; 1,355)
Pat's - 4,232 (3,489; 1,919; 1,621; 1,504; 1,088; 1,321; 1,386; 1,687; 1,474; 1,346)
Rovers - 6,109 (5,379; 3,384; 2,749; 2,809; 2,041; 2,890; 2,269; 2,763; 3,127; 3,779)
Shels - 3,393 (2,913; 1,071 FD; 654 FD; 496 FD; 554 FD; 596 FD; 713 FD; 1,114; 1,187; 781 FD)
Sligo - 2,555 (2,166; 1,995; 1,853; 1,717; 1,750; 1,750; 1,959; 2,342; 3,007; 2,103)
UCD - 809 (953; 739; 365 FD; 236 FD; 297 FD; 216 FD; 397; 487; 506; 558; 610)
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mike wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:42 pm I never really got going in the attendances thread last year, probably due to frustration that some of the figures called out just looked incorrect, anyway I`ll have another go this season.

A reminder on the opening game last season with less than 10 away fans was v UCD.............3,142. Galway will prob take 300 on Friday, so the challenge is for us to get a crowd of 3,300 if that possible ? After last game v Rovers that will help as even those who didn't go would have seen the excellent performance on RTE, I think we should be capable of 3k home fans, but I wouldn't be banking on for reasons I made further below.

From foot.ie our end of season avg was only 2,600 so a lot of work required and we will need to be hitting 3k for most games to improve, plus if Sligo improve on results and Waterford and Galway have decent first seasons up, we could be second lowest even at 3k as Drogs only have capacity of 2.2K (they wouldn't get 3k in any case).

As much as crowds have rocketed all over the league, worth noting ours has been almost consistent at around 2,700 over 10 years and this obv included SK era.

A good few reasons, facilities is top, any given rainy night I always think this takes up to 500 out, away fans not great what we can offer (but no different to what Pats and Shels offer majority away fans), but we seem to suffer from a lot of lazy fan choice games, I think we all know loads from respective groups who will say 'Ah I`ll not head to that game, will go the next one' etc. For crowds to increase we need fans attending almost every home game or only missing for rare occasions.

All below from foot.ie - first column is 2023 avg then 2022, etc.

Bohs - 4,243 (3,209 {2022};2,878{19}; 2,148; 2,006; 1,627; 1,724; 1,395; 1,597; 1,496; 1,488)
Cork - 3,666 (3,517 FD; 2,505; 4,245; 4,559; 2,533; 3,263; 3,777; 1,965; 2,786; 2,128 FD)
Derry - 3,336 (3,184; 2,049; 2,297; 1,517; 1,563; 1,124; 1,106; 1,446; 1,460; 2,135)
Drogheda - 1,916 (1,941; 721 FD; ; 377 FD; 850; 583 FD; 813; 1,064; 817; 977; 811)
Dundalk - 2,636 (2,689; 2,775; 2,738; 2,674; 2,738; 3,158; 2,534; 1,997; 949; 1,355)
Pat's - 4,232 (3,489; 1,919; 1,621; 1,504; 1,088; 1,321; 1,386; 1,687; 1,474; 1,346)
Rovers - 6,109 (5,379; 3,384; 2,749; 2,809; 2,041; 2,890; 2,269; 2,763; 3,127; 3,779)
Shels - 3,393 (2,913; 1,071 FD; 654 FD; 496 FD; 554 FD; 596 FD; 713 FD; 1,114; 1,187; 781 FD)
Sligo - 2,555 (2,166; 1,995; 1,853; 1,717; 1,750; 1,750; 1,959; 2,342; 3,007; 2,103)
UCD - 809 (953; 739; 365 FD; 236 FD; 297 FD; 216 FD; 397; 487; 506; 558; 610)
If you look at our highest attendance even in the Kenny dynasty years it is only the 16th highest average. Shocking statement for a so called football mad town. That can't all be down to poor facilities.
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To be fair Niall you have been saying this a long time, the lack of efforts by locals, its almost a case of 'Oh I`ll def go to the next game etc' by the guy we all know.

I wouldn't rule out poor facilities though as a factor, I know at least 3 mates who won;t take their young daughters to games due to the lack of toilets, and that's just not on.

Still think fair point on lack of cover, there are 500+ who want to stand in the open seating area town side of the stand, a rainy night will knock possibly half off, same for those who want to stand behind town goal.

I was at under age football match in Warrenpoint yesterday, they have a 3 deep terrace covered structure running the entire length behind one of their goals, #LittleThings as they say. Plus they play Irish League Tier 2.
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I think we should allocate a larger part of the ground to away fans. We have 2500-3000 fans in Dundalk who come to home games (more to cup finals of course) but considering the ground capacity is 4500 we need to take advantage of the growth in other clubs fanbase to benefit by the additional revenue. Rovers, Bohs, Pats and Derry would take 800-1000 fans if we give them more space. It might push our part time fans to be more attentive if they think tickets are limited.
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carrickfan wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:31 pm I think we should allocate a larger part of the ground to away fans. We have 2500-3000 fans in Dundalk who come to home games (more to cup finals of course) but considering the ground capacity is 4500 we need to take advantage of the growth in other clubs fanbase to benefit by the additional revenue. Rovers, Bohs, Pats and Derry would take 800-1000 fans if we give them more space. It might push our part time fans to be more attentive if they think tickets are limited.
Where would you propose putting these extra fans?

These supporters - and Drogheda - are already major security issues. Why do you think the next 2 local derbies have been brought forward to 1pm?

It's an accepted fact that away fans generate more noise per capita than home fans. Why would the club want to encourage support for visiting sides to the detriment of our own players?
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I’d suggest putting them on the shed side terrace to the left of the shed (facing out) only if the area can be cordoned off safely like Sligo do in The Showgrounds. Its the area I normally sit but it’s never full.

If we haven’t the fan base to sell the seats to home fans we shouldn’t be complaining about taking advantage of the additional revenue opportunity. Bigger crowd, better atmosphere will drive the local market demand for tickets, which will force the ground standards debate eventually…
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Is this a troll account?
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carrickfan wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:32 pm I’d suggest putting them on the shed side terrace to the left of the shed (facing out) only if the area can be cordoned off safely like Sligo do in The Showgrounds. Its the area I normally sit but it’s never full.

If we haven’t the fan base to sell the seats to home fans we shouldn’t be complaining about taking advantage of the additional revenue opportunity. Bigger crowd, better atmosphere will drive the local market demand for tickets, which will force the ground standards debate eventually…
Good idea. It won't happen but as a club short of cash it makes sense. Also splits up their fans and condenses ours which would help with our noise while affecting theirs.
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superman wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:53 am Is this a troll account?
I did wonder. Giving opposition fans seats on the shed side has huge knock-on effects.

1. The toilet block specifically built in that corner for the home fans is no longer available
2. The Dundalk players/staff would have to walk a gauntlet of away fans when entering or leaving the pitch.
3. The shed side only holds 850. Giving up even 250, means losing the middle section (SSA) as a buffer zone.

Please don't use Sligo as an example. The high risk games involve any two of Dundalk, Drogheda, Derry, the Dublin clubs, and possibly Waterford. Sligo and Galway are bottom of the list by a long shot. To be fair to Derry, they appear to have solved the problem by restricting away fans to 75, and placing them so far behind the goal (and at an angle) that it's hardly worth the effort.
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Having a different opinion makes you a troll? If so that’s fine. I’m supporting Dundalk since the 80’s and i can count on one hand the amount of nights we’ve sold out oriel park since. Thinking differently is what’s required in order to change that.

Two Dublin clubs have announced limited availability today ahead of their games this weekend, we haven’t sold out since the Cork finale in 2014. Why are Dublin clubs selling out, because they’ve a larger fanbase. Why have they a larger fanbase? Don’t say facilities because it doesn’t apply to Tolka & Richmond, they’ve a larger fanbase because of great marketing. They’ve created a demand built on a frenzy around scarcity for tickets, watch pats and shels announce limited tickets available this weekend and see the fans clamour for tickets in fear of missing out. If Bohs or Rovers got 1000 tickets for oriel and sold them, what would Dundalk fans do knowing tickets were limited to 3500?

Build it any they’ll come? Create the demand first…
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carrickfan wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:52 pm Having a different opinion makes you a troll? If so that’s fine. I’m supporting Dundalk since the 80’s and i can count on one hand the amount of nights we’ve sold out oriel park since. Thinking differently is what’s required in order to change that.

Two Dublin clubs have announced limited availability today ahead of their games this weekend, we haven’t sold out since the Cork finale in 2014. Why are Dublin clubs selling out, because they’ve a larger fanbase. Why have they a larger fanbase? Don’t say facilities because it doesn’t apply to Tolka & Richmond, they’ve a larger fanbase because of great marketing. They’ve created a demand built on a frenzy around scarcity for tickets, watch pats and shels announce limited tickets available this weekend and see the fans clamour for tickets in fear of missing out. If Bohs or Rovers got 1000 tickets for oriel and sold them, what would Dundalk fans do knowing tickets were limited to 3500?

Build it any they’ll come? Create the demand first…
Very well said. There is a general belief that if there is a new ground built that people will be fighting to get in. Reality is, that may be the case for the first 3-4 games and then it will be back to our average attendances. From an investors persepective a ground has to be paid for and maintained, as it stands we have one of the lowest attendances in the LOI for a so called football town. Hard facts and time for people to take their heads out of the sand ... would any of you invest your private money into the development of anything most likely knowing you will never get a return before starting?
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