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Pepsi wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 12:36 pm Lads let Kenny talk to whoever he wishes .... should any of our players be in such conversations at this stage of the season with him or anyone else, then someone should be helping them to pack their bags and moving them on in July. What DFC requires now and going forward are players who want to be at the club for what it is and not only for the wages on offer.
Agree 100 pc .. Same applies to those who jumped ship in the winter as well. Think JD won't be suffering such fools
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southerncomfort wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 12:21 pm daly won't be happy if there's chats with his players who should be focused on staying up .

daly has won far far more games than sk in the last few years .

spade a spade , ruthless kenny has been trading off a reputation for what he did here. very different coaching team at rovers (fail) Ireland ( fail ) and now pats (let's see)
sk is a club legend and local , but if he fails this season , his appalling media management /interviews etc will be under more scrutiny.

maybe , just maybe , come the summer . . oriel under daly , last year's fai cup winning manager , and who has just saved the club from relegation is more attractive than inchicore for top players .
Are you seriously trying to insinuate VP was the key to our success from 2013-18???
You'd swear he didn't already get 2 cracks at the job himself the way you go on ffs
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Pepsi wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 12:36 pm Lads let Kenny talk to whoever he wishes .... should any of our players be in such conversations at this stage of the season with him or anyone else, then someone should be helping them to pack their bags and moving them on in July. What DFC requires now and going forward are players who want to be at the club for what it is and not only for the wages on offer.
Yet you wanted Andy Burton to work with the club again ,when he only a 6 month contract for Nathan Shepperd.
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Richie87 wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 3:11 pm
Pepsi wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 12:36 pm Lads let Kenny talk to whoever he wishes .... should any of our players be in such conversations at this stage of the season with him or anyone else, then someone should be helping them to pack their bags and moving them on in July. What DFC requires now and going forward are players who want to be at the club for what it is and not only for the wages on offer.
Yet you wanted Andy Burton to work with the club again ,when he only a 6 month contract for Nathan Shepperd.
I asked if he and the club would potentially work together now that certain people had left the building. It is now very clear that NS has not got the expected moves nor success back in the UK, so the club would be in the driving seat wages and contract wise. If you have a better solution .... put it on the table, because if Muro gets injured we are goosed. Cherry I am sure is not 100% match fit, sat on a bench for the majority of last season and the young lads have little to no first team experience, let along putting them into a side sitting at the foot of the table.
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A keeper isn't doing the running of an outfield player. Cherry might be rusty, but a he done a capable job before when he stood in for Shepperd. They will probaly look at options in July.
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Philistine wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:44 pm
Are you seriously trying to insinuate VP was the key to our success from 2013-18???
You'd swear he didn't already get 2 cracks at the job himself the way you go on ffs
perth (main coach 13-18 , 19 winner as manager and rescued in 21) and others ( maybe garts according to his own autobiography ) higgins etc . interesting how In contrast to then, rovers / uk / Ireland failures for kenny.

we'll see , but really think daly is a far better option than kenny return . was a good bit of business
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southerncomfort wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:42 pm
Philistine wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:44 pm
Are you seriously trying to insinuate VP was the key to our success from 2013-18???
You'd swear he didn't already get 2 cracks at the job himself the way you go on ffs
perth (main coach 13-18 , 19 winner as manager and rescued in 21) and others ( maybe garts according to his own autobiography ) higgins etc . interesting how In contrast to then, rovers / uk / Ireland failures for kenny.

we'll see , but really think daly is a far better option than kenny return . was a good bit of business
Agree with your last point, would be impossible for SK to live up to expectations from 1st spell
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southerncomfort wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:42 pm
Philistine wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:44 pm
Are you seriously trying to insinuate VP was the key to our success from 2013-18???
You'd swear he didn't already get 2 cracks at the job himself the way you go on ffs
perth (main coach 13-18 , 19 winner as manager and rescued in 21) and others ( maybe garts according to his own autobiography ) higgins etc . interesting how In contrast to then, rovers / uk / Ireland failures for kenny.

we'll see , but really think daly is a far better option than kenny return . was a good bit of business
Kenny did a very good job with Longford, Bohs and Derry which you fail to mention, very unfair summary,
And even Sir Alex Ferguson wouldn't be able to do much with that current crop of Irish players lets be honest
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Philistine wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:51 pm
southerncomfort wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:42 pm
Philistine wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:44 pm
Are you seriously trying to insinuate VP was the key to our success from 2013-18???
You'd swear he didn't already get 2 cracks at the job himself the way you go on ffs
perth (main coach 13-18 , 19 winner as manager and rescued in 21) and others ( maybe garts according to his own autobiography ) higgins etc . interesting how In contrast to then, rovers / uk / Ireland failures for kenny.

we'll see , but really think daly is a far better option than kenny return . was a good bit of business
Kenny did a very good job with Longford, Bohs and Derry which you fail to mention, very unfair summary,
And even Sir Alex Ferguson wouldn't be able to do much with that current crop of Irish players lets be honest
not a bad job, but oriel , with a particular back room and set of circumstances got him the loi sainthood . all I'm saying is, lets see.
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southerncomfort wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 6:30 pm
Philistine wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:51 pm
southerncomfort wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:42 pm
perth (main coach 13-18 , 19 winner as manager and rescued in 21) and others ( maybe garts according to his own autobiography ) higgins etc . interesting how In contrast to then, rovers / uk / Ireland failures for kenny.

we'll see , but really think daly is a far better option than kenny return . was a good bit of business
Kenny did a very good job with Longford, Bohs and Derry which you fail to mention, very unfair summary,
And even Sir Alex Ferguson wouldn't be able to do much with that current crop of Irish players lets be honest
not a bad job, but oriel , with a particular back room and set of circumstances got him the loi sainthood . all I'm saying is, lets see.
Are you seriously trying to say that Perth was part and parcel to Kenny's success with us? If. So you need to take a good hard look at yourself. Was Perth at bohs and Derry as well? Ah that's why he failed at RVs. Cos Vinny wasn't there!! Perth did well in 2019 with the team Kenny built. Answer us all this will you please? If Peth really is the missing link, then how come he hasn't been employed as either a number one or number 2 since he left us? Don't get me wrong I liked Vinny until he became a yes man for bill and I was happy he got the gig post Kenny. But to say that he was part and parcel of Kenny's success is not entirely true now is it? The expectations at inchicore in 2024 are higher than the expectations in oriel were in 2013. The pressure from day 1 is greater. Let's be honest in 2013 we were just delighted to be in the premier division and the aim in 2013 was to remain there so finishing 2nd in season one and getting to the FAI Cup semi that season were massive bonuses.
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Vinny P did a good job as partner to SK during the glory years of 14-18, but he was always very much no 2 and with a wide range at that too.

Yes he won the league in 2019, but that was one serious quality squad still in contract (after SK left while under contract to take over Ireland U21), anyway to be fair VP did a good job keeping us up in 2021, and paved the way forward to SOD getting europe in 2023.

That said and for me, VP is like Higgins at Derry, (and his time might be up soon if they don't challenge for the league), they are both coaches in my eyes, not managers.
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mike wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 10:30 pm Vinny P did a good job as partner to SK during the glory years of 14-18, but he was always very much no 2 and with a wide range at that too.

Yes he won the league in 2019, but that was one serious quality squad still in contract (after SK left while under contract to take over Ireland U21), anyway to be fair VP did a good job keeping us up in 2021, and paved the way forward to SOD getting europe in 2023.

That said and for me, VP is like Higgins at Derry, (and his time might be up soon if they don't challenge for the league), they are both coaches in my eyes, not managers.
fair comment re coaching v managing although higgins man management apparently excellent too

the "it was kenny's team " leaves out the fact that the 13-18 success had lots of finger prints on it , not just kenny . suggesting vp etc came in , in the same way an outsider came in would be unfair.
kenny is loi , and oriel royalty etc , decent at derry , longford and bohs , amazing in Dundalk, also is not above criticism, has huge flaws , showed through in scotland / rovers and Ireland. needs a very solid & loyal backroom , and ideally a media person.

let's see what happens at pats this year
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You'd think if Vinny Perth wasn't getting a managerial job, he'd be on the radar as a number 2 where he made his name? O Donnell has went from being manager to assistant at Bohemians. Ollie Horgan with Galway
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Serious amount of bloodletting going on here.

This p!&&ing contest of deifying/castigating previous management is getting painfully boring and has no relevance in our current situation. If people want to continue to bicker and fight, then they need to take this to the ladies toilets where it belongs.
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Richie87 wrote: Sun Jun 02, 2024 1:12 am You'd think if Vinny Perth wasn't getting a managerial job, he'd be on the radar as a number 2 where he made his name? O Donnell has went from being manager to assistant at Bohemians. Ollie Horgan with Galway
Might have something to do with Vinny having a very well paid secure job away from football. I would assume for him to give that up once again, the offer would have to be water tight and right for himself and his family. Would you leave a well paid job to be number 2 with a LOI club or would you give up a job to take a job with Bohs, Dundalk ..... or whoever?
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