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Shelveyville wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 9:17 pm
Philistine wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 7:57 pm Ian Baraclough topping the shortlist despite being ruled out during the week by a journalist (won't name check at the risk of being accused of forcing a fictional agenda). Today's events just reaffirms the journos are as clueless as anyone on what's happening in Oriel.
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TrevDaRev2 wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 12:02 pm
Mick Mac wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 11:47 am
TrevDaRev2 wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 11:44 am

Relegation was a reality before King came in, the building blocks were in place with the squad. SOD and Garts have now paid the ultimate price for that. Agree NK wouldn't be my choice and wasn't handled well but crying about changes nothing. Its done whether we like it or not and its not gonna be reversed. That decision aside i think his ownership has been very much a positive. He's making a lot of moves off the pitch. Least if we do go down we might put oursleves in a position to come straight back up
Why was relegation a reality? We have a new manager who for 3 games now has sat on the bench letting BG (who has no coaching qualifications) to manage the team.

Its a shitshow on and off the pitch. Staff members have left under Ainscough, more will leave from what im hearing and word is Davies and a few more are looking out in the summer as training has been described as a shambles
Relegation was a reality because we hadn't won a game and therefore hadn't a lot of points which has us in 10th, which is an automatic relegation place. NK came in, and he, or Garts, or whoever took 4 points in their first 2 games. Staff members have been fired, others have been appointed. Not sure I'd call fixing the floodlights or making the YDC fire compliant is neccessarily shambles territory. If players are looking out in summer that says more about them jumpin ship because they're in a battle.

Sorry i don't buy you trying to lay blame at BAs feet when its an outworking of 2 decades of mismanagement. He's only in the door. I'd be critical of NK appointment but anything beyond that comes across as personalised or worse again deluded

The picture youre trying to paint of it being all sunshine and rainbows until BA came along sounds ridiculous
Very true and good post. This decline didn't start this year or even last year for that matter
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The decline started when VP and Giller decided to get in bed with Mad Bill the cowboy because he promised to pay Hoban whatever he wanted to stay. Bill then told anyone who’d listen there was a new sheriff in town. It came back to bite VP who hasn’t worked anywhere else since. Then we drove the guys who paid cheques for anything the team needed out of town, but we “got our club back”. MC was sacked twice, now masquerades on here arguing with Giller just like when they worked together. The club has been driven into the ground by a group of egomaniacs who’ve all had their own agendas, when in reality 2018/2019 were the best we’ve ever known, yes P6 weren’t on the ground but they paid every bill, tried their best even if some mistakes were made, as we won 4/5 trophies and a penalty kick away from a clean sweep in 2019. It’s fucking mental that we didn’t realise how good we had it, and the in-fighting, posturing and positioning allowed Bill to come in and then P6 realised there was no point dealing with all the hassle and playing referee when they make billions in other businesses. Washed their hands of us and now look, absolutely mental when you think about it. Bill did so much mad stuff that it undid all the good work of the double winning 2018 season and a quadruple in 2019. We didn’t shoot ourselfes in the foot, we shot ourselfs in the head, and now the 3 main culprits argue here under aliases. The biggest self sabotage operation in the history of Irish football. Those at the club at the time - VP, JG, MC and all the other toxic narcissists should have realised how good we had it, picked up their wage and rode the wave as long as they could, they had jobs for life if they just kept their heads down and kept winning. All wanted to be the main man and fucked it for the whole town. Shocking shocking stuff. Now we’ve got a chancer in BA who by the way isn’t the only owner - his investors might now be questioning is he the right man to front this consortium of investors and he could easily walk or be pushed - all whilst he makes SS/AC look good. And that is fucking saying something. What a story lads honest to god.
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Rossco wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 11:55 pm The decline started when VP and Giller decided to get in bed with Mad Bill the cowboy because he promised to pay Hoban whatever he wanted to stay. Bill then told anyone who’d listen there was a new sheriff in town. It came back to bite VP who hasn’t worked anywhere else since. Then we drove the guys who paid cheques for anything the team needed out of town, but we “got our club back”. MC was sacked twice, now masquerades on here arguing with Giller just like when they worked together. The club has been driven into the ground by a group of egomaniacs who’ve all had their own agendas, when in reality 2018/2019 were the best we’ve ever known, yes P6 weren’t on the ground but they paid every bill, tried their best even if some mistakes were made, as we won 4/5 trophies and a penalty kick away from a clean sweep in 2019. It’s fucking mental that we didn’t realise how good we had it, and the in-fighting, posturing and positioning allowed Bill to come in and then P6 realised there was no point dealing with all the hassle and playing referee when they make billions in other businesses. Washed their hands of us and now look, absolutely mental when you think about it. Bill did so much mad stuff that it undid all the good work of the double winning 2018 season and a quadruple in 2019. We didn’t shoot ourselfes in the foot, we shot ourselfs in the head, and now the 3 main culprits argue here under aliases. The biggest self sabotage operation in the history of Irish football. Those at the club at the time - VP, JG, MC and all the other toxic narcissists should have realised how good we had it, picked up their wage and rode the wave as long as they could, they had jobs for life if they just kept their heads down and kept winning. All wanted to be the main man and fucked it for the whole town. Shocking shocking stuff. Now we’ve got a chancer in BA who by the way isn’t the only owner - his investors might now be questioning is he the right man to front this consortium of investors and he could easily walk or be pushed - all whilst he makes SS/AC look good. And that is fucking saying something. What a story lads honest to god.
Your first point on the Hoban thing is absolutely spot on, feels like the watershed moment in retrospect. Rot started from there and that's when it all began to turn to shit
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The pandemic was a real sliding doors moment for the club. Disrupted all the momentum built up since 2014 and financially was a disaster for most companies, it's no wonder Matt H lost heed and essentially made the club his elderly father's play thing.

Not much point going over it ad nauseum, that's then and this is now. We're in serious trouble, but I do believe that there's time to turn it around with a competent manager and a decent summer transfer window.
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Rossco wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 11:55 pm The decline started when VP and Giller decided to get in bed with Mad Bill the cowboy because he promised to pay Hoban whatever he wanted to stay. Bill then told anyone who’d listen there was a new sheriff in town. It came back to bite VP who hasn’t worked anywhere else since. Then we drove the guys who paid cheques for anything the team needed out of town, but we “got our club back”. MC was sacked twice, now masquerades on here arguing with Giller just like when they worked together. The club has been driven into the ground by a group of egomaniacs who’ve all had their own agendas, when in reality 2018/2019 were the best we’ve ever known, yes P6 weren’t on the ground but they paid every bill, tried their best even if some mistakes were made, as we won 4/5 trophies and a penalty kick away from a clean sweep in 2019. It’s fucking mental that we didn’t realise how good we had it, and the in-fighting, posturing and positioning allowed Bill to come in and then P6 realised there was no point dealing with all the hassle and playing referee when they make billions in other businesses. Washed their hands of us and now look, absolutely mental when you think about it. Bill did so much mad stuff that it undid all the good work of the double winning 2018 season and a quadruple in 2019. We didn’t shoot ourselfes in the foot, we shot ourselfs in the head, and now the 3 main culprits argue here under aliases. The biggest self sabotage operation in the history of Irish football. Those at the club at the time - VP, JG, MC and all the other toxic narcissists should have realised how good we had it, picked up their wage and rode the wave as long as they could, they had jobs for life if they just kept their heads down and kept winning. All wanted to be the main man and fucked it for the whole town. Shocking shocking stuff. Now we’ve got a chancer in BA who by the way isn’t the only owner - his investors might now be questioning is he the right man to front this consortium of investors and he could easily walk or be pushed - all whilst he makes SS/AC look good. And that is fucking saying something. What a story lads honest to god.
Very well said and spot on in many ways. If P6 were to write a book (they would be in court before its release with many ex employees, FAI members, TDs, RTE management and other sporting organisations) it would make great reading and well an truely put the cat amongst the pigeons in Irish sport, politics, funding and so on. Funny how 2 of the 3 mentioned never worked in football or any other sport once they were removed from their positions at Oriel. Says a lot and fans should ask themselves why!
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Pepsi wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 8:40 am Very well said and spot on in many ways. If P6 were to write a book (they would be in court before its release with many ex employees, FAI members, TDs, RTE management and other sporting organisations) it would make great reading and well an truely put the cat amongst the pigeons in Irish sport, politics, funding and so on. Funny how 2 of the 3 mentioned never worked in football or any other sport once they were removed from their positions at Oriel. Says a lot and fans should ask themselves why!
yea cause of decline was simultaneously caused by efforts to keep hoban in 2019 , and lack of effort to keep hoban in 2023.

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southerncomfort wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 9:54 am
Pepsi wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 8:40 am Very well said and spot on in many ways. If P6 were to write a book (they would be in court before its release with many ex employees, FAI members, TDs, RTE management and other sporting organisations) it would make great reading and well an truely put the cat amongst the pigeons in Irish sport, politics, funding and so on. Funny how 2 of the 3 mentioned never worked in football or any other sport once they were removed from their positions at Oriel. Says a lot and fans should ask themselves why!
yea cause of decline was simultaneously caused by efforts to keep hoban in 2019 , and lack of effort to keep hoban in 2023.

peak oriel web
P6 went above and beyond to keep Hoban in 2019 ... that is correct, it most likely had a knock on effect on contracts accross the league, however that is normal business. If you want the best employees, you have to pay them. They were willing to spend to make the club better and get more points on the board. Was that a bad thing?
Without P6 and their legal teams, LOI fans would still today believe that there was no money to be made in TV deals (LOI deal was hidden in the national team deal), they would still believe the AVIVA was 50% outright owned by the FAI and that JD and his mates were great lads.
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Pepsi wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 12:10 pm
southerncomfort wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 9:54 am
Pepsi wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 8:40 am Very well said and spot on in many ways. If P6 were to write a book (they would be in court before its release with many ex employees, FAI members, TDs, RTE management and other sporting organisations) it would make great reading and well an truely put the cat amongst the pigeons in Irish sport, politics, funding and so on. Funny how 2 of the 3 mentioned never worked in football or any other sport once they were removed from their positions at Oriel. Says a lot and fans should ask themselves why!
yea cause of decline was simultaneously caused by efforts to keep hoban in 2019 , and lack of effort to keep hoban in 2023.

peak oriel web
P6 went above and beyond to keep Hoban in 2019 ... that is correct, it most likely had a knock on effect on contracts accross the league, however that is normal business. If you want the best employees, you have to pay them. They were willing to spend to make the club better and get more points on the board. Was that a bad thing?
Without P6 and their legal teams, LOI fans would still today believe that there was no money to be made in TV deals (LOI deal was hidden in the national team deal), they would still believe the AVIVA was 50% outright owned by the FAI and that JD and his mates were great lads.
Such nonsense. It didn't take P6 for fans to know the FAI were corrupt under the Delaney regime.
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Richie87 wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 12:15 pm
Pepsi wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 12:10 pm
southerncomfort wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 9:54 am

yea cause of decline was simultaneously caused by efforts to keep hoban in 2019 , and lack of effort to keep hoban in 2023.

peak oriel web
P6 went above and beyond to keep Hoban in 2019 ... that is correct, it most likely had a knock on effect on contracts accross the league, however that is normal business. If you want the best employees, you have to pay them. They were willing to spend to make the club better and get more points on the board. Was that a bad thing?
Without P6 and their legal teams, LOI fans would still today believe that there was no money to be made in TV deals (LOI deal was hidden in the national team deal), they would still believe the AVIVA was 50% outright owned by the FAI and that JD and his mates were great lads.
Such nonsense. It didn't take P6 for fans to know the FAI were corrupt under the Delaney regime.
The a simple question: Why didnt any fans groups or clubs stand up to him and come out publically with support of clubs, politicians or whoever? Because they were either involved in his games or didnt have the money to fight it legally. P6 changed that and were hated in Abbotstown as they wanted change across the board.
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There was a Tennis ball protest in a international game against Georgia. There was other things planned around that time

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I have a feeling with the SK move to Pats and the fallout with BA in recent days, some have forgotten we urgently need a new manager.

Heard its Mackey and Burns in the dug out tomorrow v Rovers (and that could be carnage, High and Benson out, the former has gone back I think?)

Anyone hear any links today, new man in?
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southerncomfort wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 9:54 am
Pepsi wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 8:40 am Very well said and spot on in many ways. If P6 were to write a book (they would be in court before its release with many ex employees, FAI members, TDs, RTE management and other sporting organisations) it would make great reading and well an truely put the cat amongst the pigeons in Irish sport, politics, funding and so on. Funny how 2 of the 3 mentioned never worked in football or any other sport once they were removed from their positions at Oriel. Says a lot and fans should ask themselves why!
yea cause of decline was simultaneously caused by efforts to keep hoban in 2019 , and lack of effort to keep hoban in 2023.

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Not efforts to keep Hoban, Giller, it was the fact you and VP cosied up to Bill H, empowering him around the club resulting in Matt H giving him the role that he held. You saw it as a way to get what you wanted, two other P6 appointments left at the end of 2019 and then all hell broke loose in 2020. You know it’s the truth.
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mike wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 2:25 pm I have a feeling with the SK move to Pats and the fallout with BA in recent days, some have forgotten we urgently need a new manager.

Heard its Mackey and Burns in the dug out tomorrow v Rovers (and that could be carnage, High and Benson out, the former has gone back I think?)

Anyone hear any links today, new man in?
Agreed, pages of rambling nonsense about P6 on a thread about the next manager. We need to move on.

If Paddy McLaughlin is still available I think he'd be a good shout if there's nothing in the Baraclough rumour.
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